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Politics : Ask Michael Burke -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Micawber who wrote (98559)	4/16/2003 12:21:22 PM
From: Yogizuna	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

It is simply incredible to me that some people would believe the words of a despicable, murderous, tyrannical dictator who has been killing his own people for years, while accusing his own government of lying, with absolutely no foundation for doing so, other than their own political beliefs. Of course I never claimed to believe the word of any dictator over our own government, but on the other hand our government does have a rather long history of not exactly telling the truth all of the time to their own citizens. As far as flight 800 goes, the jury is still out on that one in my opinion as to who fired the missile many people witnessed, and in one case, a few folks saw and heard the missile actually being launched, and some type of ship then speeding away. I am not accusing our own military of being involved at this point....

To: Micawber who wrote (98559)	4/16/2003 12:24:05 PM
From: Yogizuna	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 132070

The Apollo moon landings were real events in my opinion, but there was some tampering with certain photographs by NASA according to some pretty reliable people.

To: Micawber who wrote (98559)	4/16/2003 12:34:38 PM
From: benwood	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 132070

Next thing you know, some people will believe that the current administration would wire tap or bribe the UN security council members; or falsify a document purporting to show that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Nigeria for making nukes; or would edit the comments of Iraqi General Gen. Hussein Kamel and present this misleading version to U.N. and press to make it appear that Iraq has banned WMD when the unfalsified version actually says he knows they destroyed all WMD and also that he personally prohibited them from producing WMD; or that the administration would present satellite evidence of WMD sites and present this to the UN, and claim their secret intelligence links it all up. Some people might even think that the administration has done all it could to groom the public on the lie that Iraq was behind the bombing of the WTC, or that it would raise the terror threat level simply as a means to manipulate the public in the same way that Hitler did to get his masses to comply. You can dredge up all the loony-toon conspiracy theories you want to attempt to link observations regarding the current administration's behavior with the fanatical ravings of others, but it won't change reality, although it might sway people who get their reality feeds from FOX. In US Court of law, the fabrication of evidence is considered a crime and the attorneys responsible disbarred even when the defendant is eventually found guilty. In many cases, a conviction is thrown out, or certain blocks of subsequently acquired evidence is disallowed which makes conviction all the more difficult. There are regimes that do not have this protection -- Iraq was one of them. If people cannot be honest about their motives, then falsifications, subterfuge, and lies are sure to follow. Those who know the true motives and who have no integrity will do all they can to further the cause in the name of blatant self interest. None of the lies and deceit (and mass delusion) have altered my opinion that SM's Iraq had nerve gas or other WMD agents. But like Yogi, if any WMD are found, I will have to weigh the nature of the evidence against this administration's known level of integrity. One way I will do that is to use overseas news sources to complement the Seattle Times and the local network affiliates (esp. KING, the NBC affilate, but never, ever FOX) -- the sources I currently use include TV from Australia, Canada, and India, plus published information from Germany and Russia, and also within the US, Democracy Now, Truth Out, Information Clearing House, the New York Times, and tidbits here and there. Eventually it doesn't matter a whole lot to my friends and neighbors if I figure out the truth -- I just want to know what kind of country I live in for my own peace of mind and for voting.