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To: Mark Konrad who wrote (12771)	4/16/2003 10:07:06 PM
From: WhatsUpWithThat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13660

Mark, if you get to find this tedious, let me know, but I'm interested in following through a bit further. (Oh, on topic, by the way, what do you think of the chart of TSCM, which I noticed just today (sadly)? Breakout to a 2 year high on increasing volume?) My experience has been that there's intolerance (and intolerable people) I've seen on both sides of the debate. I know lots of good people also on both sides. I think any level of 'proof' would lead to anecdotal evidence that wouldn't lead anywhere. I've skimmed that thread, and I have to say I find fools abound, of both political stripes. People of quality, present company especially included, are in short supply there. I'm sorry you've not encountered enough of the 'good' people on the anti-war side. I have no tolerance for extremes on either end. My own mother is a old-time 60's socialist, and we have many debates about Cuba, for which she still holds a great fondness on the basis of the universality of education and medical care, high literacy rates and I'm not sure what else remains for her to point to now. Most recently we discussed the fact that Castro has a personal worth of some $200m, the leader of a Communist country! <Sad, cynical smile> A lack of moral conviction is a thread woven through the political continuum. I'm curious that the discovery of WMD would be little more than icing on the cake for you. Isn't that the primary reason that America went to war, the conviction that Saddam was simply playing the weapons inspectors for suckers in a giant shell game, and that those WMD presented a clear and direct threat to American security and well being? If no, or inconclusive, evidence is found, wouldn't that be a significant blow to the original argument for intervention? I agree that the discovery of WMD wouldn't shake many of the anti-war protestors, because for many of them it wasn't the presence or absence of WMD that was the issue. The issue (leaving aside Quakers and those who simply will not condone war for any reason) for many was that the US can't/shouldn't go it essentially alone, or that the weapons inspectors should have been given more time to determine if Saddam could be brought to heel and if not the UN should then 'oversee' whatever military action was invoked, or that the action would create an incredibly dangerous precedent (India's recent statement about considering a similar pre-emptive action against Pakistan for the same reasons is not a happy event, even if it is in fact just sabre rattling),and so on. So from the perspective of someone who opposed the war on those grounds, the discovery of WMD wouldn't go to the heart of their objections. Nothing, not money or love or any belonging of any kind, is held more deeply or dearly than a belief Actually, that's kind of good, that our beliefs are more important to us than money or belongings (even love, to an extent, in that if my child were doing something bad or evil, in spite of love I'd have to oppose it). That is prevarication, though, I do know what you mean. The important thing is, our beliefs should be strongly and deeply held...but with an open mind and a willingness to listen to others, to allow a compelling argument to change our beliefs. Regards WUWT

To: Mark Konrad who wrote (12771)	4/17/2003 10:39:37 AM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13660

Mark, just to make one point. I have found that there are MANY people on the pro-war side that expressed their views in an all or nothing way. You are either with us, or you are a coward, tratior, etc. (very ANTI-AMERICAN sentiments, IMO) There have been high emotions on both sides, and name calling all around. t >> I generally found those opposed to the war to exhibit a high degree of emotionalism and irrationality and a lack of civility or tolerance when compared to those supporting the war.