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To: E who wrote (94678)	4/18/2003 6:16:39 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Actually, your best defense here is to make sure there exists a viable Islamic opposition which is completely Islamic as oppose to the selective Islam practiced by the likes of mullahs of Iran...of course we don't want them militant either. Let's see how this works: > The Shiites are rallying for a regime repressive of females. But Islam is terribly repressive of women. For example, the man is not allowed to ask his wife for anything other than sex. For example, he is not allowed to ask her to breast feed her baby. If she chooses to ask for payment for breast feeding, he has to pay her unless he can find a cheaper nurse. The same goes for house work and what not. Nor is he allowed to use any violence against her. If he bruises her, then he has to pay her gold the size of the black marks on her body. If he has harmed her more than a blemish, then she press very bad punishments against him. Furthermore, Islam's view of marriage is that of a contract between consenting adults. So she has the right to put in whatever conditions she wants for getting married to him. For example she can say that he is never allowed to have another wife (even if he divorces her). So the laws are there in Islam do deal with all these issues and more. What you do not have is a cultural bias for the western perspective. And you cannot legislate culture. It really doesn't matter whether the law is Islamic of secular; if the culture does not allow it you will not have it. ST

To: E who wrote (94678)	4/18/2003 8:46:37 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

<Who's the "they" to which you refer?> Wearing the veil is a political statement, just as much as when I wear a "American for Peace" pin. Feminism, in Muslim countries, is seen as an aspect of Western Culture. So, many women in Turkey have voluntarily started wearing the veil. Not as an act of submission to men, but as an act of rejecting the West, an act of reclaiming their own culture. In Turkey, the secular pro-Western government for decades suppressed these outward signs of Islam. I might also add that, in the U.S., many of the leaders of the anti-feminist movement have been women. So "they" are the women, too.