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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14554)	4/19/2003 8:39:18 AM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

So Gustave, have you been celebrating our glorious victory in Iraq. I'm trying to decide which victory was greater, the one in Iraq or Afghanistan. What do you think? Afghanistan elminated much of the terrorist threat, while Iraq is now free from the murderer of over a million muslims. Which part of that makes you sick the most?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14554)	4/19/2003 12:07:20 PM
From: Edscharp	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

Gustave, Iraqi cleric warns U.S. to leave" Even you must appreciate the irony of this. No matter what direction the US turns there is somebody with an agenda that is going to criticize them. Right now, there are groups that are demanding that the US provide food, electricity and water. Other groups feel that the US has a major responsibility to repair much of the Iraqi infrastructure and get the oil fields operational again. In the meantime, the US is busy tracking down Hussein's top leaders and eliminating what's left of Hussein's paramilitary and republican guards. The US is keenly interested in locating the huge stashes of money that Hussein and his henchmen have put away in Swiss banks and god knows where. And, all of these things are for the interest of the Iraqi people. Presumably, even the Iraqi cleric you mentioned would support this. The Arab countries that have supported the US want us to leave quickly, but they also want us to construct an interim Iraqi government as a prelude to removing oil sale sanctions. You can't leave the country without some kind of power structure in place. You would have instant chaos...again! And to top it off, the final irony is that there are probably groups that are not so keen to see us leave quickly. There are some serious ethnic rivalries in the region. The Shiites predominate and have been out of power during the past 30 years of the Hussein rein. I suspect that there are more than a few Sunni groups that fear reprisals and paybacks from them It is the avowed purpose of the US not to rule Iraq and we won't, but it is going to take time to get Iraq up and running again. During that time every person with an agenda against the US will have a field day criticizing us for everything and anything they can. As Americans we've come to expect nothing less.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14554)	4/19/2003 12:27:02 PM
From: Edscharp	Respond to of 21614

Gustave, One other thing. "A U.S. patrol was surrounded by part of the crowd and one of the soldiers, fingering his rifle, told people to back off, "or I'm going to shoot you." The quote from the soldier is a misquote. Intentional or not I don't know. I am certain because this very incident was videotaped and showed up on the news here. The Iraqis were marching loudly, but peacefully when they intersected with a small group of American soldiers who were patroling. Some of the members of the march began to approach the Americans. It wasn't clear why, but they came within a few feet of the Americans. Some of the marchers were shouting. The Americans, looking a bit nervous, persistently asked that they back off. One Iraqi woman in the crowd asked one soldier if he was going to shoot them and the soldier specificallly said, "no, I am not going to shoot anybody". All the American soldiers intentionally had the barrel of their rifles pointed downward. They're were some Iraqis in the crowd that put themselves in between the marchers and the soldiers and waved the marchers to back off a bit. The Americans were cautiously moving away from the scene when at some point Iraqi police officers arrived and escorted the Patrol away. A non-incident really, but leave it to a misquotation to turn it into something else.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14554)	4/19/2003 1:20:31 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 21614

Even the Germans and Italians are backing up and coming along. Here's Germany's link - they want to mend fences and acknowledge that it is always good to get rid of a dictator. news.lycos.com Haven't found the link yet, but apparently Italians are sending 2500-3000 crack troops to keep the peace, essentially acknowledging the success of the US move. Wonder when the Belgians and French will come along?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (14554)	4/19/2003 7:37:35 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Secrete peace-agreements, usually even multi-lateral, have been done in the middle of wars before. That is, I would not be suprised if some negotiated deal was made. One could expect a deal would define some limits on USA in terms of length of stay as well as oil,etc in the future. Harassing american soldiers would obviously be one mechanism even if above is not the case, but gets worse if some more deadlier methodes are used on either side. Considering all "the evil" in Iraq, it might only be a matter of time and opportunity?? At least one can be sure a lot of brains are doing their best..