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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (112)	4/19/2003 4:23:00 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

If you were around in 1967, I'm sure you will remember Nassar's booming speeches about how the Egyptians would "drive the Jews into the sea." I suspect that if the result had been different, we wouldn't be worried about a few civilian casualties as we do today. There would have been mass extermination as Nassar promised. As for 1954, I guess Ike wasn't affected by the Jewish lobby. Bottom line - Egypt and Syria started the war, Israel destoyed and totally wiped them out in the air first. You can't change history with a cut and paste. Now just imagine what would have happened if Egypt had won. Would you be crying about the millions of Jews who would have been "pushed into the sea?"

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (112)	4/19/2003 4:29:49 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 22250

If Lazarus will allow, I'd like to repost his excellent questions to you? I think he got tired of waiting for a response. Hey, I've got a lovely quote for you from Islam. Sounds a lot like the garbage you've been promoting about Judaism. Except it's from the wrong source, of course. " It is a 'divine' commandment to persecute Jews and Christians, to defeat them in battle and then to consign them either to slavery or to death." [Surah 8:39; 9:5, 29: 47:4] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. [Qu'ran 9:73] I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. [Qu'ran 8:12] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). [Qu'ran 3:85] That's YOU they're talking about, Evil! geocities.com So these are your heros? When you think you've explained that away, let me know. I've got more. You are a traitor to the United States of America, Evil.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (112)	4/19/2003 4:33:20 PM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 22250

Emile - I had asked you what you believed should happen to those who do not share your faith in Jesus. By that, I mean agnostics, atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc. Do you believe and does the New Testament teach you that these people will a) go to hell b)are subhuman c)may be killed as necessary to save the Faith. d) all of the above. Please differentiate your belief from that espoused by the devout Muslim passage quoted by Lazarus to you.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (112)	4/19/2003 4:41:10 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

1967: The Arabs had made it PERFECTLY clear that they intended to attack Israel. They were massing their armies on the borders. The Israeli simply didn't give them to finish their preparations. The 1956 War From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced in part by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world powers, the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while the Soviet Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as Israel became convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of the Suez Canal by Egypt’s Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the further alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with Israel. 5On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan, launched a combined air and ground assault into Egypt’s Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli successes were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal. Although the action against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world, the cease-fire of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and Soviet support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives, including the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches to the Gulf of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them over to the UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without which Israel was cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed. The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)After a period of relative calm, border incidents between Israel and Syria, Egypt, and Jordan increased during the early 1960s, with Palestinian guerrilla groups actively supported by Syria. In May, 1967, President Nasser, his prestige much eroded through his inaction in the face of Israeli raids, requested the withdrawal of UN forces from Egyptian territory, mobilized units in the Sinai, and closed the Gulf of Aqaba to Israel. Israel (which had no UN forces stationed on its territory) responded by mobilizing. 7The escalation of threats and provocations continued until June 5, 1967, when Israel launched a massive air assault that crippled Arab air capability. With air superiority protecting its ground forces, Israel controlled the Sinai peninsula within three days and then concentrated on the Jordanian frontier, capturing Jerusalem’s Old City (subsequently annexed), and on the Syrian border, gaining the strategic Golan Heights. The war, which ended on June 10, is known as the Six-Day War. 8The Suez Canal was closed by the war, and Israel declared that it would not give up Jerusalem and that it would hold the other captured territories until significant progress had been made in Arab-Israeli relations. The end of active, conventional fighting was followed by frequent artillery duels along the frontiers and by clashes between Israelis and Palestinian guerrillas. bartleby.com NOW: Are you interested in settling matters or do you just wish a convenient hate target? Old wars can be rehashed forever. It's THE national sport in some parts of the world. But before you start screaming about returning stolen land, maybe you ought to look at what you're standing on. It wasn't yours 500 years ago, buddy, and you didn't buy any of but a very small fraction of it in honest deals.