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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (95231)4/20/2003 6:55:27 PM
From: Ish  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<< But you certainly did not insult Islam or the prophet Mohammed, >>

From what I've read our US troops did just that. The swift victory with few civilians getting killed was an insult.



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (95231)4/20/2003 7:26:04 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Respond to of 281500
 
Resistance to occupation uniting factions

HAROON SIDDIQUI
Apr. 20, 2003. 01:00 AM Toronto Star

"Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies but as liberators."

That's not George W. Bush but Lt.-Gen. Stanley Maude addressing Iraqis after the British occupation of Baghdad in 1917. With the Ottoman empire's surrender a year later, the British proclaimed the three Mesopotamian provinces of Baghdad, Basra and Mosul as Iraq.

Running into resistance, they set aside Maude's assurances, reached for gas shells and opted for the "wholesale slaughter" of Arab tribes, in the phrase of another British officer.

They quelled the uprising, at the cost of 10,000 Iraqi and 450 British dead, and an expenditure of the then-staggering sum of £40 million.

They also installed their own man, Amir Faisal. The son of the sheriff of Mecca and leader of the Arab Revolt, he was imported from his European exile following his overthrow in Syria by the French.

The British even stage-managed a "referendum" to crown him king — to the strains of "God Save The King."

The British spent the next decade battling the autonomy-seeking, oil-rich Kurds. The job was accomplished by merciless air bombing, with colonial secretary Winston Churchill even urging the use of mustard gas.

This bit of history provides disturbing parallels to current events: the American invasion of Iraq; the raising of the American flag, albeit temporarily, at Umm Qasr and on a Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad; and the American machinations over who should rule Iraq.

A more recent parallel is also relevant. After the justified American war on terrorism in Afghanistan, it was the United Nations that organized the conclaves of Afghans that picked Hamid Karzai as president, bestowing on him legitimacy.

In Iraq, the show is all American. While Bush and retired Lt.-Gen. Jay Garner, head of the planned interim American administration, are saying all the right things — the president promising "a government of, by and for the Iraqi people" — the Americans do have their Prince Faisal in tow.

They have flown Ahmed Chalabi back to Iraq, which he left as a child in 1956. But they are shunning the Shiite majority, especially the groups with the largest following.

Popular resistance has already begun. In Basra, Najaf and Karbala, as well as in parts of Baghdad, anti-American marches are accompanied by declarations of self-governance.

In Mosul, which is half Kurd and half Sunni Arab, U.S. soldiers have killed 10 of the latter in a mini-uprising.

Commentators are raising the spectre of civil war — the Lebanonization of Iraq — given its religious and ethnic divisions.

But while the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds, Chaldean Christians (former deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz) and Marsh Arabs have at times been at each others' throats, their real battles have always been with unrepresentative and often oppressive central governments — and with foreign occupiers.

Now, they are more likely to turn against the Anglo-American forces than on each other.

The Shiite majority — 60 per cent of Iraq's 23 million people — is concentrated in the south and in the teeming Baghdad suburb of Sadr (formerly Saddam) City.

They have been victimized many times over. Frozen out of power by the minority Sunnis who have ruled ever since Prince Faisal, they were targeted by Saddam. He killed 20,000 of them, including 250 of their revered clerics.

They see the promised dawn of democracy as their chance at majority rule.

The group that claims the largest following among them is led by Syed Mohammed Bakr al-Hakim, who has been in exile in Iran since 1984.

He opposes the interim American administration, preferring it to be Iraqi, and he boycotted Garner's first enclave of potential leaders.

Another quasi-religious group boycotting the process is Al-Dawa. It is alleged to have committed terrorist acts against the Saddam regime as well as against Americans in Lebanon.

A third force is the Howza, Shiite centres of learning and spirituality. The one with the largest following is led by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani of Najaf.

Americans are wary of turban-wearing politicians, especially those with links to Islamic Iran.

But not all Iraqi Shiites take their cue from Iran, religiously or politically. Iraqi Shiites fought with Iraqi Sunnis in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.

Among non-Shiites, the most persecuted are the Kurds, at between 4 million and 5 million.

Saddam killed about 180,000 of them, including 5,000 in a chemical attack. But they have had their best period since the 1991 Gulf War, thanks to the American-enforced no-fly zone.

They are divided between two legendary leaders, each controlling his own turf. But Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani co-operated in teaming up their militias with American troops on two missions: moving west into Saddam's oil fields and east to eliminate Al-Ansar guerrillas.

The latter, followers of Osama bin Laden, held a sliver of land along the Iran border.

The Kurds have given up on independence and pledged to work within a pluralistic Iraq. They have earned the right to a Quebec-like autonomy in a federal, democratic Iraq.

The Sunnis are scattered. London-based Monarchy Movement is led by Sharif Ali bin al-Hussaini, 45, a descendant of Faisal. He has little support.

Jordan-based Iraqi National Accord, led by a Shiite, Iyad Alawi, includes Sunni former military officers and civil servants.

Another distinct group, the Marsh Arabs, have little clout.

Theirs is a 6,000-year-old culture. But reacting to their 1991 revolt, Saddam drained their swamp at the mouth of the Gulf, burned the reed beds and poisoned the lagoons. About 100,000 Marsh Arabs moved to cities, 40,000 escaped to Iran and an unknown number were killed. It was Stalinesque ethnic cleansing and a catastrophic environmental disaster.

Iraqi religious and ethnic groups need to work out their differences at the ballot box. That is also the best guarantee of moving the militants among them away from violence.

This rare opportunity is an unarguable benefit of the American invasion. It will be lost by any American attempt at creating a client state.

Far more ominously, it may replicate the mistakes of the British and the French whose agenda for the Middle East, as laid down between 1915 and 1922, turned out to be durable and disastrous.
thestar.com



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (95231)4/20/2003 9:14:30 PM
From: Ron  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Anthrax, chemicals and nerve gas: who is lying?
Growing evidence of deception by Washington
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
20 April 2003
If US and British forces are scratching their heads at their inability to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, perhaps they should talk to Scott Ritter, the United Nations weapons inspector who famously quit in 1998, after seven years on the job, and has been a controversial figure ever since.

For months, Mr Ritter has said Iraq's capability of producing or deploying chemical or biological weapons was 90-95 per cent destroyed on his watch and was very unlikely to have been built up again under international sanctions and the constant surveillance of spy satellites and US and British war planes.

Iraq's nuclear programme was dismantled at the end of the first Gulf War in 1991, he said, and factories to produce chemical or biological agents deactivated shortly thereafter. Any leftover nerve agents would only have a shelf life of five years and would probably be useless by now. The anthrax and botulism toxin that Iraq produced was never weap-onised and, although it was put into warheads at one point, was no more than harmless sludge that "could only kill you if it landed on your head".

This is the same Scott Ritter who, when he first made these assertions last autumn, was vilified in the US media as "misguided", "disloyal", not to be taken seriously and "an apologist for and a defender of Saddam Hussein". One cable news host, Curtis Sliwa said on air he was a "sock puppet" who "ought to turn in his passport for an Iraqi one".

Perhaps it's time to give Mr Ritter another chance. It may, in fact, be time to reassess who exactly has been the deceiver and who the dupe in this whole affair. What Mr Ritter and others now allege, with increasing confidence, is a pattern of false information emanating from both Washington and London since last September – lies and distortions that launched a major war and are only now beginning to be widely exposed.

Exhibit number one is a speech Vice President Dick Cheney gave to the Veterans of Foreign Wars last summer. "The Iraqi regime has in fact been very busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents." he said. "And they continue to pursue the nuclear programme they began so many years ago." Mr Ritter says this is pure fiction.

Mr Cheney attributed his information to high-level defectors, including Saddam's son-in-law, Hussein Kamal. Supposedly, Kamal led UN inspectors in 1995 to a chicken farm stuffed with secret documents on ongoing weapons programmes. Actually, according to Mr Ritter, Hussein Kamal told US intelligence that the weapons had been destroyed, and the chicken farm documents subsequently examined by UN inspectors corroborated that.

Exhibit number two is the briefing paper issued by Downing Street on 24 September, which first alleged the purchase of uranium for nuclear weapons use from Niger. The documents indicating this purchase have now been exposed by the International Atomic Energy Agency as glaringly obvious fakes.

The timing of the nuclear allegation was crucial in persuading the US Congress to grant President Bush full war powers against Iraq a few weeks later. Several angry congressmen who voted in favour now want to know how and why they were misled.

"This is a breach of the highest order, and the American people are entitled to know how it happened," Henry Waxman of California wrote to the President last month. "I believed that you had access to reliable intelligence information that merited deference... The two most obvious explanations – knowing deception or unfathomable incompetence – both have immediate and serious implications."

Exhibit number three is the list of dangerous substances that President Bush and Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, said the Iraqis had not accounted for. Another distortion, according to Mr Ritter. The 15,000 litres of anthrax on the list, for example, was a hypothetical projection of future production at a biological plant that was closed down long ago.

Mr Ritter has not, of course, been vindicated quite yet. US intelligence may really know something, and significant hidden caches of weapons could still materialise. But the pattern of deception and unsubstantiated allegation is unmistakable, even as the political embarrassment for the Bush administration deepens.

news.independent.co.uk



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (95231)4/20/2003 11:43:10 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
And while Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, they view some basic facts very differently than Christians do. ''Islam is the only religion that says that Jesus did not die on the cross,'' explains Braswell. ''Not only do they not buy the meaning, they don't believe it's history.''

This is misleading. The Islamic view of Jesus is identical to that of Christianity for its first 347 years. The present doctorine won based on mere mortal debates and the councile and political muscle flexing.

Islam fosters genuinely strong communities that prize an ethic of mutual aid.

This is a point that is lost to many. What most Christian missionaries establish in other places is built into Islam from the start. Muslims are obligated to give 10% of their net income to the poor. You will be hard pressed to find a Muslim community which does not provide interest free loans to the poor.

What's more, Islam is itself a proselytizing religion. Says Jonathan Bonk, the executive director of the Overseas Missions Studies Center, ''My impression is that Muslims love to talk about religion. They have no problem engaging with someone who is trying to proselytize to them. They proselytize right back.''

I wonder what are the statistics on Christians who converted to Islam versus the Muslims who converted to Christianity.

Ironically, the IMB spokesman Mark Kelly describes the Muslim critique of Western values as a positive point of contact for Christian evangelicals. ''Muslims have moral concerns about the Western world, and they find out that these are misgivings that evangelicals have as well. They think all Americans are Christians, including a lot of celebrities. Evangelicals say that if that were what Christianity were about, we wouldn't want anything to do with it, either.''

So this begs the question of why the hell is anyone going out for missionary work. If saving a soul is the goal, then saving an American soul right here should be as good as saving another soul anywhere. Logic suggests it is much more productive concentrate on where you already have a good footing than waste your energy where you are not wanted.

But to Scott Moreau, this soft approach raises questions. ''If Christianity is just an ethical system, there is no need to speak. If it is something more, if it is about a relationship with God and not just good deeds, then if you stop at good deeds you are shortchanging who you claim to be.''

As a wise man once said, "Religion must remain an outlet for people who say to themselves, 'I am not the kind of person I want to be.' It must never sink into an assemblage of the self-satisfied." I wonder about the people like Mr. Moreau.

In some cases, conversion has taken place very quietly indeed. According to missiologists who specialize in Islam, there are actually communities of converted Muslims that retain many Muslim practices, such as styles of dress and manners of prayer, while accepting Jesus as their savior. A mosque serving these communities, says Braswell, is known as an Isa Majid, or a Jesus Mosque. Some converts attend regular Muslim mosques, and their communities are none the wiser.

This kind of hybrid practice has become a topic of hot debate in some Christian quarters. ''Some say Christ called for a public pronouncement,'' says Moreau. ''Others say, give them time.''


This is one reason why I think when all is said and done, Buddhism will be the only religion standing; it allows for dual "citizenship".

Sun Tzu