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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (14856)	4/20/2003 8:30:13 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

Name one country where the U.S. has introduced democracy in the past 40 years. Just off the top of my head. We helped democracy take root in South Korea, the Philippines, East Timor, Russia, the countries of eastern Europe, Nicaragua. We've worked to give democracy a chance in Afghanistan and now, Iraq. A google search turned up these sites on the subject: U.S. DEMOCRACY PROMOTION PROGRAMS IN ASIA commdocs.house.gov National Endowment for Democracy ned.org Turns out we have an assistant secretary of state for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. usembassy.uz The Institute for Democracy in Eastern Europe idee.org TOWARDS A COMMUNITY OF DEMOCRACIES usinfo.state.gov

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (14856)	4/20/2003 10:54:10 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Raybo, the Naked King.... You're light on the facts as usual.... let's see....democracies the US has helped engender.... How about S.Korea, Phillipines, Nicaragua, all the former Iron Curtain captive nations.... Your posts are so arrogant and ignorant they are among the most unintentionally funny on SI.....

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (14856)	4/21/2003 3:55:16 PM
From: Edscharp	Respond to of 21614

Raymond, "The U.S. military was tossed out of the Philipines a few years ago because they rightly felt that they were being subjugated by the U.S. military. If you took a vote on Okinawa in Japan, you'd find that 90% of the citizens there feel subjugated by an enemy occupying force." Unsurprisingly, you're missing the point. The Philippines decided not renew the lease at Subic Bay Naval Station, and we left. By agreement, we left Okinawa as well. There was no rancor or ill feelings. In the Philippines, President Aquino was supporting the renewal of the treaty as it meant thousand so jobs for filippinos. "The Pentagon announced two days ago that it is establishing four permanent bases in Iraq." Since you apparently only read from Arabic news sources I am not surprised that you believe this, but it is untrue. The Adminstration has made it very clear that the bases will be subject to final approval of the new Iraqi government. "Name one country where the U.S. has introduced democracy" The Philippines, Japan,& Germany. "you are hopelessly naive" Actually no, I'm not. I think it will be difficult to install a true democracy in Iraq, but I'd still like to see the attempt made. More likely, Iraq will end up with a government with some democratic principles and theocratic-style influences.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (14856)	4/21/2003 5:44:05 PM
From: Edscharp	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Raymond, Rumsfeld Says No U.S. Plan for Long-Term Bases in Iraq nytimes.com By COMBINED WIRE REPORTS efense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said today that the U.S. has no plans for a permanent military presence in Iraq. "I have never heard the subject of a permanent base in Iraq discussed," he said, emphatically denying a report in Saturday's New York Times that the U.S. was looking to set up a permanent military presence at four air bases in the country. "The likelihood of it seems to be so low that it's never been discussed in my presence to my knowledge... it's not like we need a new place," he said. Iraqi citizens are showing more signs of cooperation with U.S.-led coalition forces, Rumsfeld said, but he added that it is premature to say if there is new evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Iraqis are showing increasing trust with coalition forces by pointing out large weapons caches and identifying agents of Saddam Hussein's toppled government, Rumsfeld said at a press briefing. The defense secretary said U.S. government officials are looking for new evidence of Iraq's programs to develop biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and said their findings would be made known "in good time." "I've believed all along that we're not likely to stumble over anything," he said of the search for weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's government did "a superb job of hiding things" through years of U.N. inspections, he said.