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To: American Spirit who wrote (396347)4/22/2003 9:20:51 PM
From: Gus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
You said I was lying 'bout the bombs but then when I gave you a link to an unclassified CIA document containing their O-F-F-I-C-I-A-L estimate, you have the temerity to quote CNN?

Do you know how stupid you look?

CNN just admitted that they toned down their coverage of Iraq's brutalities so that they could stay in Iraq during the 90s. In other words, they presented a sanitized view of Iraq that explains why idiots like you were content with doing nothing about the problem.

And the lingering question remains: In 1994 North Korea had a nuclear program with no nuclear weapons. North Korea now has a nuclear program with a handful of nuclear weapons and the capacity to produce more. What happened to your claim that Clinton contained NK with his appeasement strategy?



To: American Spirit who wrote (396347)4/24/2003 2:18:07 PM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
NK doesn't have the weapons yet, only the potential to build them.

NK says otherwise.

cnn.com

Sources: N. Korea admits having nuclear weapons
Senior administration source: Pyongyang threatens tests
Thursday, April 24, 2003


Posted: 1:55 PM EDT (1755 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sources close to the U.S. talks with North Korea and China told CNN Thursday that North Korea has admitted to having nuclear weapons and threatened to test them in the near future.

Deputy Director General Li Gun, Pyongyang's representative to the talks, made a "blatant and bold" announcement that his country had nuclear weapons, and asked U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian Affairs James Kelly, "What are you going to do about it?" a source told CNN.

One official said Li said Pyongyang would consider dismantling its nuclear weapons program if the United States signed a written security statement promising not to attack North Korea. Li said, however, it was not possible to dismantle a nuclear weapon.

Earlier Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said the talks, scheduled to continue Friday, were "coming to a close" and all sides presented strong views over nuclear concerns.

"The sides will return to their capitals and assess what they heard, analyze proposals that were put down by the parties, and determine where they will go next," he told the Asia-Pacific Council.

"The one thing that is absolutely clear as a result of this meeting once again is that there is unity within the community that we must not allow the peninsula to become nuclear."

He noted this is the position of "the Chinese government, and of course of the United States, Japan, South Korea and of Russia, Australia and others in the region. North Korea must come to under this."

In a statement carried Thursday on the North Korean state news agency, Pyongyang said the U.S.-led war in Iraq has shown the only way for a country to protect itself was to have a powerful deterrent.

In such a situation it said the "master key" to progress in the talks was for Washington to make a "bold switchover" in its policy toward North Korea.

The statement, which referred to the Beijing talks, appeared to be a hardening of Pyongyang's long-standing position seeking some kind of security guarantee from the United States before it will talk about dismantling its nuclear program.

"In actuality, the situation on the Korean Peninsula is so tense that a war may break out any moment due to the U.S. moves," the North said.

The U.S. has insisted it will not be blackmailed, but says it has no plans to invade North Korea or to resort to any kind of military action.

Nonetheless, officials say their message to the North is that it must immediately end production of nuclear weapons and establish an intrusive inspections regime.

'Violation of sovereignty'

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell at the Asia Pacific Council on Thursday: "The sides will return to their capitals and assess what they heard."
The Beijing talks were the first official meetings between the United States and North Korea since last October when Washington said North Korean officials admitted to them that they were pursuing an active nuclear weapons program.

North Korea denies any such admission took place and says the United States is using its accusation as an excuse to justify military action. Kelly was the same U.S. official who confronted Pyongyang about its nuclear program last October.

Li Gun, from the American Affairs Bureau of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, is a relatively low-level official who observers say does not have the authority to cut major deals with the United States.

Officials attending the talks in Beijing have remained tight-lipped about their progress but observers say there is little likelihood of any major breakthrough being announced. Most say the best outcome will be an agreement to meet for further talks at a later date.

Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing spoke by phone Wednesday with Powell and both agreed the talks were "beneficial," China's state-run Xinhua news agency reported Thursday.

"The two sides exchanged views on how to properly handle the nuclear issue of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea [DPRK] and both believed that the ongoing talks in Beijing [were] beneficial," the Xinhua report said.

An official wall of silence has surrounded the talks. But South Korea's Chosun Ilbo newspaper quoted sources as saying Kelly demanded North Korea dismantle its nuclear plans verifiably and irreversibly.

From North Korea's side, the paper said Li admitted the Iraq war had taught Pyongyang to see a nonaggression pact.



To: American Spirit who wrote (396347)4/24/2003 2:51:03 PM
From: JakeStraw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
North Korean Nukes
Notra Trulock
Monday, April 22, 2002

There is a new crisis looming for the Bush administration this summer and it is not Iraq. But it does feature a harshly repressive regime trying to hide its weapons of mass destruction from international inspection. The crisis is brewing on the Korean Peninsula and involves the end game of deal made eight years ago by the Clinton administration.

In 1994, in return for a freeze on its nuclear facilities, the U.S. promised to build Pyongyang "proliferation-resistant" nuclear reactors and supply North Korea with 500,000 tons of fuel oil annually. The North Koreans promised to open their facilities to international inspection and get out of the nuclear weapons business altogether.

The Clinton administration managed to defuse the immediate crisis and keep North Korea off the front pages for most of its two terms. Its spokesmen gradually began to tout the deal as a major Clinton foreign policy success; Clinton himself claimed that he got the North Koreans out of the nuclear business.

In truth, few of our negotiators thought there would still be a North Korea by the time the bill came due.

But North Korea is still standing and, with regard to nuclear weapons, it has not been standing still, according to the Intelligence Community. It appears that instead of freezing its program, it used the time to develop nuclear warheads. This startling news was first revealed in the public version of a National Intelligence Estimate on "Foreign Missile Developments" published last December. It says, "The Intelligence Community judged in the mid-1990s that North Korea had produced one, possibly two, nuclear weapons."

That is not what the Community said in the mid-1990s; the estimates then dealt only with plutonium production, not nuclear warheads.

Presumably, this new assessment was not made lightly. It implies that North Korea has mastered the manufacture of nuclear warheads. The use of plutonium implies an implosion-type warhead, because it is unsuitable for simpler gun-assembly designs. Implosion designs require more sophisticated testing and manufacturing skills.

Intelligence Community statements also indicate that the North Koreans have engineered a warhead small enough for delivery on a North Korean missile.

More worrisome are new assessments that indicate those light-water reactors may not be so "proliferation resistant" after all. Henry Sokolski of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center has unearthed a Livermore National Lab assessment that concludes that one reactor alone could produce enough weapons-grade plutonium for 50 nuclear warheads.

Former U.S. officials involved in the original negotiations admit that they did not seek such assessments at the time of the original deal, but they categorically reject Livermore's recent analysis. They cite technical reasons that would keep North Korea from producing plutonium from the spent fuel from these reactors, but North Korea has fooled international observers (read: the U.S. Intelligence Community) before.

This spring the Bush administration refused to certify Pyongyang's compliance with the terms of the Agreed Framework, claiming that North Korea was resisting new inspection arrangements with international inspectors. But the Intelligence Community's new findings and continued suspicions about covert North Korean activities were more likely the reasons for the non-certification.

North Korea, which had suspended reactor talks after being included by President Bush in the "axis of evil," has decided to begin talking again after all. It is probably betting that the U.S. will be preoccupied in the Middle East and that the Bush administration will have many incentives to compromise to avoid another crisis.

Despite its refusal to certify North Korea, the administration granted it another year's worth of fuel oil. You can expect pressure from Senate Democrats like Joe Biden, and the mainstream media, to stick to the deal no matter what.

North Korea is not going away soon, no matter how bad things get or how many predictions our Intelligence Community makes. Their predictions that the Communist regime would implode were obviously too optimistic.

Some argue for coordinating reactor construction with the timetable for inspections. It would be better to stop the headlong rush to the end game and rethink our overall objectives. We should offer to convert the deal to non-nuclear power plants while upgrading the country's power grid, as Henry Sokolski recommends. If this is really about economic development and power generation, North Korea should accept that offer.

Notra Trulock is the Associate Editor of Accuracy in Media's AIM Report. He is a former Director of Intelligence at the Department of Energy.



To: American Spirit who wrote (396347)4/24/2003 2:54:16 PM
From: JakeStraw  Respond to of 769667
 
North Korea Nukes Clinton Legacy
Charles R. Smith

Asian Arms Race Result of Appeasement Policy

The leftist media spin is that the current crisis in North Asia is the result of George W. Bush calling Pyongyang a member of the 'axis of evil.' In reality, the soft-line appeasement policy taken by Clinton against North Korea and China is what has led us to this point.

For example, former Clinton adviser Paul Begala, now serving as a talking head on CNN, claimed that the Clinton administration contained the threat from North Korea. Clearly, Mr. Begala missed the 1990s.

Of course, Mr. Begala simply forgot that Clinton's military chief of staff testified in 1998 that North Korea did not have an active ballistic missile program. One week later the North Koreans launched a missile over Japan that landed off the Alaska coast.

During the early Clinton years, hard-liners and so-called conservative hawks advocated a pre-emptive strike to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons development before it could field an atomic bomb. Instead of taking the hard line, President Clinton elected to rely on former President Jimmy Carter and decided to appease the Marxist-Stalinist dictatorship.

Carter met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang and returned to America waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our time. Kim, according to Carter, had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development.

The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor. However, the agreement was flawed and lacked even the most informal means of verification.

In return, Kim elected to starve his people while using the American aid to build uranium bombs. The lowest estimate is that Kim starved to death over 1 million of his own people, even with the U.S. aid program.

Axis of Evil and Friends

North Korea was not left all alone in its effort to obtain nuclear weapons. North Korea relied heavily on China, its closest ally, to assist in its all-out effort to obtain the atomic bomb.

Beijing elected to covertly aid its North Asian ally by proliferation. China allowed Pakistan to send nuclear technology purchased from Beijing to North Korea in exchange for No Dong missile technology.

Beijing provided Pakistan with its nuclear weapons technology, including an operational atomic bomb design. Pakistan is now providing North Korea with equipment and engineering to assist in its bomb-making efforts.

The fact remains that North Korea acquired some key equipment for its nuclear weapons program from Pakistan in 1998. The key equipment, including a working gas centrifuge used to enrich uranium, was shipped to Pyongyang in the coffin of the murdered wife of a North Korean diplomat.

Beijing's indirect assistance includes allowing Pakistani C-130 cargo flights over China to Pyongyang that carry key equipment for nuclear weapons production. The flights return to Pakistan with North Korean No Dong missile parts.

Missiles for Nukes

Pakistan also benefited from the trade in weaponry. The missiles-for-nukes trade gave Pakistan an operational means to deliver its atomic bombs.

Pakistan has since successfully test-fired and deployed its own version of the No Dong missile, called the Ghauri. The North Korean-designed missile has a range of nearly 900 miles and can cover virtually all of India, Pakistan's rival in Southwest Asia.

The ultimate irony here is that the North Korean No Dong and Tae Po Dong missiles are based on technology given to Pyongyang by China. In 1994, the Wall Street Journal revealed that Chinese-made CSS-2 missile technology had found its way into North Korean hands.

China has also allowed North Korea to ship SCUD missiles through its territory for Middle Eastern customers. According to a Canadian undercover operative, North Korean agents moved dismantled SCUD missiles through China into Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

The allegations proved to be correct because U.S. satellites were able to follow Chinese-made M-11 missiles bound for Pakistan over the same land route in 2000. The illegal export of M-11 missiles brought swift sanctions against Beijing by the Bush administration.

In recent months China has been much more overt about assisting Pyongyang with its nuclear weapons program. In 2002, China sold Pyongyang a large shipment of tributyl phosphate, a key chemical used to extract plutonium and uranium from spent fuel rods for atomic bombs.

U.S. Pressure on Asian Allies

In contrast, the U.S. repeatedly told India, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan that they should not develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. position was that the no one had the right to bring a new arms race to Asia.

The U.S. also backed up this policy by placing severe restrictions on the export of nuclear and ballistic missile technology to India, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. The trade agreements also had teeth built into them in case U.S. technology was abused.

For example, when India developed and tested its nuclear bomb, the U.S. responded with hefty sanctions and a diplomatic freeze that is just now beginning to thaw.

Compared to the strict U.S. policy, China did not discourage its client states, North Korea and Pakistan, from developing nuclear weapons. Instead, China has overtly and covertly assisted both nations to develop and deploy active weapons upon working delivery systems.

Nature abhors a vacuum, especially in the case of nuclear weapons. The whole equation of Asian defense has changed overnight. As a result of China's nuclear proliferation, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan may now have to follow Pyongyang's lead and begin their own atomic weapons programs. That decision will be made in Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei, not in Washington.

It should shock no one, including the China lobby and DNC apologists, that Beijing will continue to support North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

However, some fools continue to be suckered by Beijing's obvious ploy to dominate Asia. The fools' hope that China will restrain Pyongyang continues to echo off the lips of the leftist media, as if by simply wishing it were true will make it so.

The fact remains that Bill Clinton's legacy is an unstable world filled with hungry dictators and nuclear weapons. The result of the Clinton appeasement policy toward China is a new arms race.