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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rrufff who wrote (15698)	4/24/2003 10:40:24 AM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman	Respond to of 21614

It's like when the war "bogged down" or wasn't won in 18 hours. I agree there are too many conclusion jumpers and people running around with 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling' mentality time will tell, a certain amount of patience generally wins out

To: rrufff who wrote (15698)	4/24/2003 10:42:48 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

The bottom line reason, IMO, was to get rid of a tyrant who was a threat to the world I beg to disagree. As seen by the crumbling of his forces during the invasion and the fact that the claimed WMDs have still not appeared, Saddam was WEAK. He was no "threat to the world". In my humble opinion, and that of quite a few people around the world (see Time poll below) the real threat to the world is the Bush administration and their bullying, threatening, and killing ways. This invasion was for the control of oil & seizing of geopolitical power in the Middle East. That is my opinion. If you are wondering about how I got there, I can explain further. Time magazine poll: Who is the biggest threat to world peace in 2003? time.com Here is what the British seem to think on the issue: Consider this: an opinion poll, taken a few days ago, asked people in Britain: who is the greatest threat to world peace: George W. Bush or Saddam Hussein? 45 percent said Saddam Hussein. No surprise there. But, get this, another 45 percent said George W. Bush. That's right, it was a straight tie. And these were British people speaking ... remember us? Your greatest ally in this 'coalition of the willing' against Iraq. cbsnews.com What is happening there, i.e. that extremely powerful shia muslims would try to grab power (and not for any religious or moral reason) perhaps helped by Iran. Not really. What is happening here is that 40% of Iraq is Shiite and there is a possibility that they might to live their religion freely, after Saddam is gone. the obviously well-staged protests are significant but don't represent the majority of Iraqi citizens I think you are making some dangerous assumptions here, based on less than adequate knowledge. The demonstration is not "well-staged". It is the most important day of Shiite muslims, celebrating which they were prevented from during the reign of Saddam. So it should not come as a surprise to you that they are so enthusiastic about it. If you saw the images, you probably saw that we are talking millions of people here. 40% of Iraq are Shiites, and you can safely assume that there were some other millions who were not of good enough health or did not join the march to Karbala for other reasons. I urge you not to make the mistake of the fairy-tale optimism of initial Bush scenarios on Iraq. most of whom are probably so frightened by the life they led for the past 25 years that they have no idea whether US is infidels stealing oil or liberators. I think you are underestimating these people's cunning, if not their intelligence - in the harsh conditions of the Middle East, people have evolved to be very good judges of character, danger, and opportunity. You would be surprised at the cunning smarts of the illiterate population. That is because only the smartest, the best judge of dangerous situations have survived to bear offspring. That is, they understand well what is going on around them. If they had any doubts as to the intentions of the US/UK forces, they saw it when the only place they protected from the general confusion and looting was the oil ministry. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but "too scared to understand we are liberators" is not rational thinking, it is a desperate excuse for is inconsistent with and hence "inexplicable" in the Bush administration world view.