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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (97129)	5/1/2003 8:02:01 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Abandon those settlements, unilaterally. That would be a real "move back". Every move toward peace Israel has ever tried is always met with more attacks. But people like you never learn from this.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (97129)	5/1/2003 8:23:35 PM
From: epsteinbd	Respond to of 281500

"Settlements with swimming pools in half the back yards." Jacob, did you ever fly over that area ? The big settlements have one collective swimming pool. Dont bet! There are more swimming pools just around Anchorage (don't ask me what for ?) that in the whole West bank. Besides that your post has grounds. As many of those settlements have no strategic reason for being there, they should be given back, not to mention the illegal ones. But not in a theatrical, Clintonian if I dared, grand gesture: a small signature on a contract . should do. When Israel pulled out of Lebanon, most of the French press shot red bullets at Barak. The "ponpon" went to "Liberation" editorial, carried on the national radio. It criticized that move as a barbarian act, an outright abandonment of all civil rules among nations but and not because of abandoning the South Lebanese army... Had the title of that paper been "Israel just invaded Tchekoslovakia", that it would have fit perfectly.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (97129)	5/1/2003 9:11:28 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

From the viewpoint of the Palestinians, the Israelis have never "moved back or made any concession". The worst thing that could ever happen for Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa brigades, etc, is for any real peace initiatives to take hold, with a fair solution which would include an economic and civil future for Palestinians and security for Israelis. These groups only reason for existence is to spread violence since it is the only thing they know how to profit from. When long standing problems exist, it pays to look at just who is profiting from the problems remaining unsolved.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (97129)	5/1/2003 10:26:53 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

From the viewpoint of the Palestinians, the Israelis have never "moved back or made any concession". Oh really? What was Oslo, and handing over Gaza and Jericho and then the rest of Area A to PA control? Nine years of Palestinian self-government doesn't even count as a move back? Also, you've got quite the wrong end of the stick on checkpoints. Before the first intifada in 1988, there wasn't even a marker on the Green Line. People moved back and forth freely. Checkpoints are the results of Palestinian efforts to kill Israelis, not the cause of them. As for the whole indignation summed up by the word, "colonization", better check your definitions. The West Bank moved from British hands to Jordanian hands to Israeli hands after Jordan foolishly decided to attack in 1967. The land that you are waxing indignant about "colonizing" for the great part either belonged to the Jordanian government before 1967 or had been seized from Jewish owners in 1948. There is certainly a land battle going on and I sympathize with the hard lot of the Palestinians, even if their awful leadership is to blame for most of it. But don't expect me to share the Arab's indignation that any Jews want to settle on the East side of the Green Line - that line only became sacrosanct to them after their failure to destroy Israel in 1967 and 1973.