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To: waitwatchwander who wrote (24902)	5/3/2003 11:50:33 AM
From: Eric L	Respond to of 34857

Trevor, << Last year Nokia said lot's of stuff up until their launch of 3G on the home front. I'm sure you remember that unsung affair? >> Yes I recall the September 26 Sonera event where the Nokia 6650 formal product launch took place, quite well. Did you watch and listen or do you just talk a lot? If you like to talk a lot, instead of listening, you'll get along famously with the two resident thread morons here. If you listened to the presentations, and comprehended what was being said then you learned something. If you didn't ... well .... ... remain blisfully ignorant. << I got the impression that Tele2's Lux and Voda's Eirland were going to be nothing more than bed's for testing handsets, tuning network performance and contemplating what to market. >> You got it my man, you got it. That's what a soft launch is. Nothing changes. That is how mobile wireless technology works through evolutionary stages and eventually gets debugged and rolls out on a full commercial scale. It's sort of like the October 1, 2000 IS-95C launch in Seoul that SKT and the San Diego and Costa Mesa Hype Factories called a "Commercial Launch" and the Korean press called a commercial trial for the next 4 months. The difference here, is that instead of only one handset being involved for the first 3 months of commercial trialing there are, or will be 5, from 4 different manufacturers, powered by a chipset of the manufacturers own design on 3 different chipset platforms. In addition rather than being a single mode, single band handset, these are multi-mode multi-band handsets that must be capable of performing intermodal and interfrequency handoff of both voice and data on a variety of network gear manufactured by multiple equipment manufacturers, and also be capable of cross border international roaming. We are obviously, not at the evolutionary stage where carriers are ready to roll out in volume, or where handset manufacturers are ready to deliver in volume. With the exception of Hutchinson Whampoa's multiple commercial launches of '3' none of the 8 or 9 3GSM WCDMA networks that have launched are full scale commercial. - Eric -

To: waitwatchwander who wrote (24902)	5/4/2003 12:51:50 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 34857

You've got to excuse Eric. He suffers from a rare memory disorder, but only as it relates to Nokia. He gets testy and rude when anyone highlights the shortcomings of his cult company. Dr. J's thoroughly correct admonitions about UMTS unfortunately drive him to paroxysms of insults, bile, and loooooooong blasts of heated irrelevant blather. It's quite preditable so it's probably best to let him stew in his own juices about the issue. You are nevertheless absolutely correct. Nokia has flubbed UMTS for many, many years, not just last year. Its biggest failure was in its backyard, Sonera. Here are a few more examples: wireless.iop.org wireless.iop.org wireless.iop.org wireless.iop.org wireless.iop.org wireless.iop.org And especially this: wireless.iop.org Sonera and Nokia sign up for 3G in Finland 4 December 2000 Finnish telecoms operator Sonera and vendor Nokia have signed a three-year contract to provide third-generation (3G) mobile Internet services across Finland. Sonera has chosen Nokia to supply its 3G Internet Protocol (IP) mobility network and wideband code-division multiplexing access (WCDMA) radio network. The companies have already worked together on GSM and GPRS networks and plan to launch 3G services in major cities by January 2002. "We believe in an evolutionary-based network that supports seamless services," said Anni Vepsäläinen, Sonera's senior vice-president for mobile operations. "Exploiting GSM and GPRS networks is part of our strategy." Sonera's partnership with Norwegian telecoms operator Enitel, the Broadband Mobile Consortium, has won a UMTS licence to supply 3G services in Norway. Do you think that Nokia and its grandiose UMTS visions had anything to do with Sonera's enormous and embarrassing losses--bigger than the entire nation of Finland paid in one year as reparations to he USSR as result of WWII? I do. I most certainly do. Depending on how you measure them, the Sonera losses amount to 3% of Finland's GDP. Interesting that Sonera got into the German license auction, and lost its ass, even though Finland held a beauty contest for its own spectrum. At the time, Nokia was promising that UMTS was just around the corner. It should to take responsibility for some of the losses but I have yet to see anything remotely resembling such a thing. helsinki-hs.net