SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:34:35 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

OK, here's one.......

So long as Bush thinks that the economy is based on tarrifs and tax cuts things will continue to get worse, and worse.

Message 18921487



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:36:06 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Well, here's another one. They aren't that hard to find.....

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

I noticed! So what do you think Junior will say the reason for the war was this week? Can't find Saddam, can't find any chemicals, can't find any terrorists, the only thing he can find is the oil fields. Do you really sleep sounder at night since Junior was selected?

It's been 597 days since Bush said he'd catch Osama bin Laden 'Dead or Alive!'

Message 18921606



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:36:57 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
OK, just one more..........

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

Time will show that the French conquered the moral high ground. America will be ashamed of Bush and the Bush war for generations to come.

Message 18923763



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:38:29 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
I really should look for some juicy ones........

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

he brave heros of this story is the leadership of France. They knew it was a war of agression and was wrong, but then everyone else did too. Their heroic deed was that they did not just go along to get along. Events have proven that Iraq was attacked for a combination of oil and Israeli dreams of conquest.

Message 18923729



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:40:32 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
And I'm sure you have notified the IRS about this truth..........

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

You ever hear of looting the treasury. Like when Junior's friends sell at the top and don't pay any taxes.
Then they borrow more so that your grandchildren will be impoverished.

Message 18921458



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:41:52 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
Can you link me to this rock solid fact?

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

I guess that explains why Bush has been calling for regime change in Canada.
I wonder, if there's so much oil there why would we need to kill off all the caribou in Alaska to get more?

Message 18921454



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:49:33 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Surpluses, "eh? The facts say you have lied about this repeatedly.....

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

Clinton didn't have surpluses, the whole country did.
You may have confused him with one of the current crop of polititians who think the federal treasury is their piggy bank.

Message 18884947

Surplus? What Surplus?
by U.S. Senator Peter G. Fitzgerald

Message 18883579

The Budget Surplus Hoax

LET'S THINK ABOUT THE FEDERAL BUDGET but first consider a pretend scenario between Mrs. Williams and me.
"Honey," she says, "we have a budget surplus. Our 1998 expenditures were $90,000, and our revenue was $100,000. That's a $10,000 surplus."

"That's wonderful, Mrs. Williams," I say. "Your brilliance has saved our household from the financial collapse we were headed for as a result of deficit spending. As soon as our accountant goes over our books, we're going to celebrate."

Our accountant goes over the books and gives me a report. Mrs. Williams had counted as revenue this year's $15,000 contribution to our children's education trust fund. She also counted this year's $20,000 contribution to our retirement account. There was nothing put in those accounts except little slips of paper marked "IOU."

Irate, I confront Mrs. Williams, "In reality, there's no balanced budget, much less a surplus. You've cooked the books! You've spent $35,000 earmarked for our trust funds and replaced them with IOUs. You're not supposed to count the money we're putting aside for our children's education and our retirement as revenue available for spending this year. The reality is, the revenue available to be spent this year was $65,000 ($35,000 was to go into the trust accounts). You spent $90,000. That makes for a deficit of $25,000."

With nothing but IOUs in our education trust fund, I ask Mrs. Williams, "What do we do when it's time for our children to go to college?" She says, "Take it easy, Walter. Don't get your panties in a bunch! When college time comes, we have several options: We can renege on our promise to the kids, or we can borrow or steal money for college."

That's when I say, "You are no longer Mrs. Williams; you're fired!"

Boiled down to its basics, that's the budget "surplus" hoax that's coming from the president and Congress. In 1998, there was approximately $120 billion spent out of revenue earmarked for trust funds like the Social Security, highway and unemployment compensation trust funds. There's absolutely nothing in those trust funds except Treasury Department IOUs.

That means that when Congress reports there is a $60 billion surplus, we should subtract $120 billion from that so-called surplus. That would leave us with minus $60 billion -- a $60 billion deficit for 1998. As such, budget surplus talk is nothing less than a sleight-of-hand accounting hoax perpetrated on the American people.

The budget situation is actually worse. The federal government uses accounting practices that if used by private companies would land the CEO and the board of trustees in jail. Here's why: Today's estimated federal government liability is about $20 trillion. These are federal government promises-to-pay such as the public debt, Social Security, railroad retirement, bank deposit and savings and loan insurance, guaranteed student loans, International Monetary Fund and so forth.

When private companies have future promises-to-pay, general accounting practices require that they hold actuarially based reserves to cover those claims. How much reserves do you think Congress has set aside to cover federal obligations? If you say zilch, nada, zippo, go to the head of the class. The bottom line is that if Congress followed general accounting practices, instead of a reported surplus, there would be a budget deficit of at least $200 billion.

You say, "Williams, wow, what should Americans do?" Right now, we're deciding whether it's OK for a president to lie to the American people. While we're at it, we might also decide whether we should accept lies from Congress. We should give them our answer at election time.

Walter E. Williams



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:52:03 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
I guess this is the honest to God's truth, 'eh?

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

The troops are good and dedicated people. Too bad they were ordered to participate in an international crime.
TP

Message 18885798



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:55:44 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
I haven't notice anyone at all quaking in their boots over
this FACT since you posted it on April 28th TP..........

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

THE FACTS, AT LAST
The publication of Sidney Blumenthal's The Clinton Wars, scheduled for next month, has the right-wing media in an uproar. At last, a book will appear from inside the Clinton White House that will lay out the facts for all the world to see about the failed right-wing coup of 1998-99, and the news media's complicity in bringing the coup so close to success.

And though nobody's yet read a word of The Clinton Wars, it's got official Washington and the Media Whores shaking in their collective boots.

Message 18892112



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 12:57:37 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
No doubt this is true......

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

I wonder if the CIA still generates cash flow by moving drugs?

Message 18896843



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 1:00:25 AM
From: DavesM  Respond to of 769670
 
TigerPaw:
"LOL
That's like claiming Canada as the formoest nuclear power because of all the hydrogen locked up in their ice.

Notice the "previously", they still are too expensive to develop unless the cartel can keep oil at $50 / barrel.
TP"

re:"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."



To: TigerPaw who wrote (403960)5/8/2003 1:01:14 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
So when the statue of Saddam was brought down in Baghdad,
it was a staged event TP? You claim this is fact.......

"Come on, you said you have personally exposed my lies but now lack the will to demonstrate even a single example."

Maybe you missed the link where a guy was flying in on Chalabi's plane, and the same guy was photographed as the statue was coming down. Not only was the event staged, but the participants were from out of town or CIA.
TP

Message 18900461