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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: zonder who wrote (17050)5/9/2003 11:05:11 AM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614
 
It is despicable that the museum was looted. As this is the so-called, "Stop the War" thread, do you feel that the US was responsible or, as some have posted, intentionally did or caused the looting?

It's easy to be critical. From the big picture, the war was extremely efficient. Tactical gains were made with minimal manpower and very limited losses. The losses are historically low for an operation of this size. There is really nothing to which it can be compared in history. Whether one agrees with the war and its rationale or not, the operation was a huge tactical and planning victory. Even the Iraqi military losses were extremely low.

Given the success of the military operation, one really has to stretch to find an area to criticize. Looting was despicable as I posted at the beginning of this post. The fact that basic services were not restored as quickly as I might have wished is also unfortunate. However, given the resources, I would prefer an operation which spared human losses over one which concentrated on sparing property damage likely caused by professionals associated with Saddam or even the employees of the museum itself.

From what I've read, it looks like the US has dedicated resources to stopping the traffic of artifacts at the Syrian border and has assigned agents to stop this on EBAY among with other potential places through which this treasure may be disposed.



To: zonder who wrote (17050)5/9/2003 10:01:20 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614
 
You seem to have problems comprehending the article you posted. I know its not an intelligence problem. Instead I think your bias is clouding your judgment.

Let's compare what you just said in your post with what the article you posted said:

You said:
You had said that BEFORE this news surfaced, that THOUSANDS were recovered. Therefore, that number is completely false.
I don't know what passed for a cataloguing system in that museum, or what happened to it during the war & looting. Neither do you. All we know is that the initial estimation of 27-38 or whatever articles missing was completely false, as evidenced by the recovery of THOUSANDS of articles.


But your article clearly said:
U.S. Customs agents, working with military and museum experts at the National Museum in Baghdad, have recovered nearly 40,000 manuscripts and about 700 artifacts, government officials announced in Washington Wednesday, leaving perhaps only a few dozen key pieces missing.

You're claiming the estimate of several dozen missing items was a preliminary estimate belied by the recovery of numerous documents and artifacts. But the article said that thousands of manuscripts and hundreds of artifacts have been recovered leaving perhaps only a few dozen key pieces missing.



To: zonder who wrote (17050)5/10/2003 6:45:56 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21614
 
zonder,

I have what I consider to be an excellent tip for you. You will waste a lot less of your valuable time if you put "Brumar89" on "ignore".

It has worked wonders for me. :)

Face facts, some humans are simply too doltish to bother with.