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To: JohnM who wrote (912)5/12/2003 2:07:06 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794547
 
The US Military is in 70+ countries in the world today, from one of the notes on SI in the last few months. We have had Military in that many countries for MANY years now....

We have to ask ourselves...WHY?

Some where I read recently the US military budget was more than the next fifteen countries combined. Sounds like another definition of obscene to me.



To: JohnM who wrote (912)5/12/2003 2:31:47 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794547
 
WHAT a Difference a Few Years (5) Makes!!~~The U.S. Military: Overextended Overseas
by Ivan Eland

July 24, 1998

Note: This was during Clinton's term.....

cato.org

Ivan Eland is the director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute.

The United States has over <b?200,000 troops stationed in 144 countries and territories. At any given time, it usually has another 20,000 sailors and Marines deployed afloat on Navy ships. In the more benign post-Cold War international environment, why does the United States need all of those forces positioned overseas?

Although some argue that ethnic tensions unleashed after the end of the Cold War have made the world less stable, statistical indicators of stability show otherwise. In the post-Cold War period, the number of armed conflicts has declined by more than half -- from 55 in 1992 to 24 in 1997. In addition, most conflicts now occur within states, not between them. Of the 101 conflicts occurring from 1989 to 1996, 95 involved combatants within a state and only six took place between states. A threat to U.S. security is more apt to arise from cross-border aggression than from civil strife.

Another sign of increasing international stability is the substantial reduction in worldwide military expenditures after the Cold War. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimates that such expenditures have dropped by one third: from $1.1 trillion in the late 1980s to $740 billion in 1997. There has also been a drastic reduction in international arms sales: from 1986 to 1995, they plummeted 55 percent. Furthermore, the United States and its allies have increased their control over the worldwide arms market during the same period. The U.S. share of the market increased from 22 percent to 49 percent and NATO's share increased from 44 percent to 78 percent. The U.S. and NATO shares increased as a result of greatly diminished subsidized sales of Russian weapons to Third World outlaw states such as Iraq, Syria, Libya, Cuba and North Korea.

In short, the absence of one superpower funneling arms and assistance to stir up opposition groups in client states of its rival superpower has led to a worldwide decline in conflicts, military expenditures and arms sales.

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The vast majority of the deployments are vestiges of the Cold War.

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So why do all of those U.S. forces remain overseas? Some of the 200,000 military personnel in 144 nations perform legitimate missions like protecting U.S. embassies and collecting intelligence. But the vast majority of the deployments are vestiges of the Cold War.

Most of the 100,000 troops in Europe (mainly in Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Turkey, Spain, Iceland, Belgium and Portugal) and almost all of the 75,000 troops in Asia (in Japan and South Korea) are supporting wealthy nations against mild or declining threats. For example, the combined economies of the NATO allies exceed the economy of the United States. Each of the economies of Germany, Italy and the United Kingdom exceeds that of Russia -- a country with a decimated economy and military. The economy of South Korea is 24 times the size of that of its arch enemy North Korea, an economic basket case. The economy of Japan is almost twice that of China -- a nation that has not yet become a serious military threat -- and almost eight times that of Russia.

The other 10,000 troops in Europe (in Hungary and Bosnia) are conducting and supporting a peace enforcement mission in Bosnia that has nothing to do with American vital interests. Indeed, the mission is already becoming a quagmire that is unlikely to prevent a resumption of fighting after NATO's withdrawal.

Other relics of the Cold War include the U.S. military presence in Panama (6,000 troops) and Guantanamo, Cuba (almost 2,000 troops). With the end of the Cold War, the Panama Canal faces a drastically reduced threat of closure. Besides, the very large U.S. aircraft carriers cannot fit through it. With the Department of Defense acknowledging that the Cuban military poses little threat, the expensive U.S. base at Guantanamo serves only the symbolic purpose of tweaking Fidel Castro's nose.

The United States also has almost 4,000 troops in the Persian Gulf (Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) to guard against an Iraqi attack that is now improbable. An analyst from the Defense Intelligence Agency noted that, because of the Persian Gulf War and grinding economic sanctions, less than 40 percent of Iraq's military remains; Iraq is probably incapable of conducting an assault over an extended distance into Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps need a rotation base of over 150,000 people to have 20,000 people deployed afloat in overseas theaters (Europe, the Persian Gulf, East Asia and other locations) at any one time. The Navy claims that overseas naval presence deters aggressors in those regions and reassures allies. The claim of deterrence is unsubstantiated and dubious. Moreover, an overseas naval presence only reassures wealthy allies that the United States will come to their rescue, thus enabling them to forgo adequate spending for defense.

Therefore, most of the 200,000 American troops stationed overseas and most of the 20,000 sailors and Marines performing overseas naval presence missions could be withdrawn without harming U.S. national security. With no major adversary on the horizon in the post-Cold War world, the United States does not need to police every portion of the globe for its rich allies.



To: JohnM who wrote (912)5/12/2003 4:33:47 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794547
 
'Huge Black Eye'
By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Safire sums it up well.

Just about everyone at this newspaper is sick at heart at the way one Times reporter betrayed our readers and all of us with his sustained deceit and plagiarism.

The Times team investigating the lies of Jayson Blair, grimly front-paged and spread over four inside pages of yesterday's paper, found his phony interviews and faked articles "a low point in the 152-year history of the newspaper." The publisher called it "a huge black eye."

How could this happen at the most rigorously edited newspaper in the world? We had plenty of warning: his 50-plus corrections in less than four years as a reporter, his evasion of questions about his whereabouts, complaints from colleagues.

Apparently this 27-year-old was given too many second chances by editors eager for this ambitious black journalist to succeed. As he moved to more responsible assignments, some editors failed to pass along assessments of his past shortcomings while others felt the need to protect the confidentiality of his troubles. Result: the con artist gamed a system that celebrates diversity and opportunity.

The Times's executive editor, Howell Raines, is determined to get right with readers by letting the "terrible mistake" be examined in excruciating detail. In addition to this opposite of cover-up, he assigned another newsroom group to come up with ways to prevent another failure of communication among our editors, the most expert of communicators.

What's the reaction in Washington, where, we now know, the fraudulent reporter came down to stain The Times's coverage of last year's attacks by snipers?

Liberals down here, who only last week had been gleeful at the revelation of conservative Bill Bennett's high-rolling gambling habit, are rendered glum by this embarrassment of the newspaper whose editorial policy they favor. But now my right-wing friends are suddenly up to their hips in their own Schadenfreude. (That's the German word for "the guilty pleasure one secretly takes in another's suffering.")

First comes the culture war. Some of my ideological soulmates say: See? There goes the prestigious New York Times , world paragon of accuracy, newspaper of record, winner of far more Pulitzer prizes than anybody, suckered for years by one cunning kid. About time those snobby Eastern elitists, twisting the news to fit their prejudices, got their comeuppance.

Then to the affirmative-action angle: See what happens, they taunt, when you treat a minority employee with kid gloves, promoting him when he deserves to be fired? Oh, we know your editors insist that "diversity" had nothing to do with it. But remember what Senator Dale Bumpers said about our impeachment of Clinton: "When you hear somebody say, `This is not about sex', it's about sex." This is about diversity backfiring.

Here's my reply to their Kulturkampf: For exactly 30 years, I have been supported handsomely for disagreeing with The Times's editorial page, which is dovish on defense, leftist on economics and (with the exception of civil liberties) resolutely wrongheaded. Never have I been silenced, and conservative thinkers have an ever-fairer shake on the Op-Ed page.

As for news coverage being influenced by editorial policy, I evoke the name of my predecessor: that's a Krock. On occasion, a leftist slant on a story slips through the backfield, but with conservatives boring from within and fulminating from without, the news side soon straightens itself out. What is "fit to print" is the truth as straight as we can tell it, which is why Times people are so furious at this galling breach.

Now about the supposed cost of diversity: A newspaper is free to come down on the side of giving black journalists a break if its owners and editors so choose. What's more, this media world would also benefit from more Hispanics and Asians coming up faster.

To the 375 Times reporters who make up the greatest assemblage of talent and enterprise in the field of gathering and writing the news, I submit this hard line:

Self-examination is healthy but self-absorption is not; self-correction is a winner but self-flagellation is a sure loser. Let us slap a metaphoric cold steak over our huge black eye and learn from this dismaying example ? so that other journalists in the nation and around the world can continue to learn from ours.
nytimes.com



To: JohnM who wrote (912)5/12/2003 6:44:18 AM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794547
 
Well, you are clever enough to change the subject. And, of course, you decided to type about the military.

Well I am so sorry that I was clever. Since the US Military is funded with the general tax revenues of US Citizens, I thought it was part of the government. You were objecting to cuts in government...So was I.
The demos call defense cuts a peace dividend and huge tax savings. Let's look at that.

BTW annual US military expenditures are readily available on-line. The VFW, ROA and other military orgs are very good at interpreting them. For example they caught that a number of domestic programs were inproperly funded within Clinton's last military budget. Thereby allowing a Demo congressman to say last week that Clinton increased defense spending.

We didn't know about 9-11 through the 90s. Or, at least, most of us didn't. Perhaps some of you thought you did.

Yes some of us did know. It was in the newspapers every week. Sometimes everyday.

Short examples...(I do not have an on-line source for these but I will be happy to fax the reference info to you.)

In 1998, there were 166 worldwide terror attacks using bombs. 96 of them were against US facilities and businesses.

In 1999, there were 186 bomb attacks. 111 were directed against US targets.

In 1998, there were four terrorist kidnappings of US citizens.

In 1999 the number of terrorist kidnappings of Americans rose to 20.

In 1998 there one terrorist arson attack against a US facility and 6 firebombings. Those numbers increased to 6 and 12 in 1999.

Things continued to escalate.
In 2001 the total number of terrorist attacks was 355. 219 were against US interests.

A telling set of numbers...wouldn't you agree?

Some of the more spectacular foreign sponsored 9/11s in the 90s included:
93 bombing WTC, 98 bombing US Embassy Kenya, 93 Iraq planned assassination of former US president, 98 bombing US Embassy Tanzania, 95 Libyan agent arrested and convicted in Chicago for conspiracy to commit terrorism, 93 15 arrested for plotting to bomb the UN building in NYC, 98 Iraq planned to blow up our Radio Free Europe towers. 93 Somalia, 92 three bomb attacks against US Forces in Yemen. 95 plan to assassinate Clinton in the Philippines, 2000 USS Cole, 95 twelve amtrack cars deliberately derailed in Arizona, 97 a petri dish oozing a sunstance labeled anthrax arrived at B'nai B'rith in Wash DC...

Do you see the pattern? As we were getting weaker, our enemies were getting stronger and bolder. As the attacks increased in frequency and intensity, our responses decreased. That is your peace dividend.

Clinton proved that turning the other cheek to terrorists will get your head blown off.
In the face of this continuing catastrophic rise in attacks, GWB put our armed forces to work.
GWB is proving that taking the fight to the terrorists, drastically reduces the number of terrorist attacks against US facilities, businesses and citizens.

Let's take a look at just how effective our new counter-measures are...

The State Department's annual "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report says.
Clips:
"International terrorists conducted 199 attacks in 2002, a significant drop (44 percent) from the 355 attacks recorded during 2001,"
In addition, the number of anti-U.S. attacks totaled 77, down 65 percent from the previous year's total of 219.

So far the 2003 numbers reflect a continuing trend of fewer attacks against the US. As our officials (Demo and Rep) say the war is not over yet. But we have finally gained the upper hand. Now we need to keep it.
unclewest



To: JohnM who wrote (912)5/12/2003 9:09:19 AM
From: Peter O'Brien  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794547
 
Your facts are wrong about defense spending.

See:
d-n-i.net

Defense spending (as a relative share of the economy)
has been steadily declining since the 1960's.
Hmmm... Can you guess what sort of spending has
taken its place?

By the end of the Cold War in 1989, defense spending
had already declined to only about 6% of GDP, which
is already BELOW the post-WW2 average. So, I dispute
your assertion that "the end of the Cold War" was
a justification for cutting defense.

But, during the Clinton era, defense spending was sliced
in half to only 3% of GDP. So, I also dispute your assertion
that the these cuts in the 1990's "didn't really amount
to much".

I agree with you on one thing.
Defense spending is indeed "obscene".
However, guided by the facts and by historical precedence,
I think defense spending is obscenely LOW.