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To: one_less who wrote (1222)5/13/2003 2:33:17 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20773
 
OK, perhaps we need another example for you.

Google: "Bush Most Evil Man".

google.com

474,000 hits.

Of course, you say, this is a childish game.

So let's try your side's favorite refrain: "Bush Great Leader". What do we come up with with this search? Sarcasm.

The first link was quite well done, IMO. I think you'll like it. Or, then again, you'll dismiss it as being impertinent for being too blatantly honest. You be the judge:

miftah.org

Thank you, great leader George W. Bush
March 18, 2003
By Paulo Coelho
Thank you for showing everyone what a danger Saddam Hussein represents.

Many of us might otherwise have forgotten that he used chemical weapons against his own people, against the Kurds and against the Iranians. Hussein is a bloodthirsty dictator and one of the clearest expressions of evil in today's world.

But this is not my only reason for thanking you. During the first two months of 2003, you have shown the world a great many other important things and, therefore, deserve my gratitude. So, remembering a poem I learned as a child, I want to say thank you.

Thank you for showing everyone that the Turkish people and their parliament are not for sale, not even for 26 billion dollars.

Thank you for revealing to the world the gulf that exists between the decisions made by those in power and the wishes of the people. Thank you for making it clear that neither José María Aznar nor Tony Blair give the slightest weight to or show the slightest respect for the votes they received. Aznar is perfectly capable of ignoring the fact that 90% of Spaniards are against the war, and Blair is unmoved by the largest public demonstration to take place in England in the last thirty years.

Thank you for making it necessary for Tony Blair to go to the British parliament with a fabricated dossier written by a student ten years ago, and present this as 'damning evidence collected by the British Secret Service.

Thank you for allowing Colin Powell to make a complete fool of himself by showing the UN Security Council photos which, one week later, were publicly challenged by Hans Blix, the chief weapons inspector in Iraq.

Thank you for adopting your current position and thus ensuring that, at the plenary session, the French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin's anti-war speech was greeted with applause - something, as far as I know, that has only happened once before in the history of the UN, following a speech by Nelson Mandela.

Thank you too, because, after all your efforts to promote war, the normally divided Arab nations were, for the first time, at their meeting in Cairo during the last week in February, unanimous in their condemnation of any invasion.

Thank you for your rhetoric stating that 'the UN now has a chance to demonstrate its relevance', a statement which made even the most reluctant countries take up a position opposing any attack on Iraq.

Thank you for your foreign policy which provoked the British foreign secretary, Jack Straw, into declaring that in the 21st century, 'a war can have a moral justification', thus causing him to lose all credibility.

Thank you for trying to divide a Europe that is currently struggling for unification; this was a warning that will not go unheeded.

Thank you for having achieved something that very few have so far managed to do in this century: the bringing together of millions of people on all continents to fight for the same idea, even though that idea is opposed to yours.

Thank you for making us feel once more that though our words may not be heard, they are at least spoken - this will make us stronger in the future.

Thank you for ignoring us, for marginalising all those who oppose your decision, because the future of the Earth belongs to the excluded.

Thank you, because, without you, we would not have realized our own ability to mobilize. It may serve no purpose this time, but it will doubtless be useful later on.

Now that there seems no way of silencing the drums of war, I would like to say, as an ancient European king said to an invader: 'May your morning be a beautiful one, may the sun shine on your soldiers' armors, for in the afternoon, I will defeat you.'

Thank you for allowing us - an army of anonymous people filling the streets in an attempt to stop a process that is already underway - to know what it feels like to be powerless and to learn to grapple with that feeling and transform it. So, enjoy your morning and whatever glory it may yet bring you.

Thank you for not listening to us and not taking us seriously, but know that we are listening to you and that we will not forget your words.

Thank you, great leader George W. Bush.

Thank you very much.



To: one_less who wrote (1222)5/13/2003 3:01:54 PM
From: The Philosopher  Respond to of 20773
 
Do a Google on "Raymond Duray" and you'll understand more about him.

Heck, he's from one of the most liberal cities in Oregon. No wonder he's the way he is. It's something in the water there.



To: one_less who wrote (1222)5/14/2003 9:56:26 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20773
 
I responded to zonder's challenge and claims that it is well documented that Bush is an addict and a religious fanatic. He is not an addict he is a tea toting anti drugs and alcohol person

Hello? I said he WAS a cocaine addict (ah well, "user", if you feel heavy use is possible without an addiction of some sort) and an alcoholic. I realize he is a "anti-drugs & anti-alcohol person" NOW. If you had taken a minute to understand what I had written, you would have seen this:

I am not sure if a turn from "coke addict/alcoholic" into "religious fanatic" qualifies for such glorification

Message 18936542

Do I say Bush is an addict NOW? Read the sentence above several times before you answer.

Oh and by the way, since you guys showed a rather surprising inability to comprehend accept and comprehend something even Bush himself has acknowledged i.e., his former alcoholism, here, I will post a pro-Bush site addressing to the same issue.

Read slowly. Make sure you understand what it is talking about. You will greatly disappoint me if, after reading this site, you come back still denying Bush's former alcoholism.

Quit drinking when alcohol started to compete with family
Bush told Oprah and her millions of female viewers he gave up drinking because “Alcohol was beginning to compete with my affections for my wife and my family. It was beginning to crowd out my energy. And I decided to quit.” He said Laura had not quite given him an ultimatum. “But I think she got disappointed in some evenings.. There were some times when she said ‘you need to think about what you’re doing.’”
Source: Boston Globe, p. A12 Jan 22, 2000

Identifies with former addicts based on former alcoholism
Bush told a group of recovering drug addicts that he still identifies with their struggle, more than a decade after he gave up alcohol. Bush told the young men his Christian faith was critical in shaping his turnaround. He cast his battle in simple terms, saying: “Just like you, I’m on a walk, and it’s a never-ending walk as far as I’m concerned. I used to drink too much and I quit drinking. I want you to know that your life’s walk is shared by a lot of other people. Even some who wear suits.“ Bush has said he was never addicted to alcohol. But since giving up drinking in 1986 at age 40, he described that as a turning point in his life.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A12 Jan 22, 2000


issues2000.org

Please don't say "Oh see, he says he was never addicted to alcohol!", just take a look at how he identifies with drug addicts based on his "giving up alcohol" and how alcohol had begun to "compete with his affections for his family".

I cannot believe you lived in America at the time of his election and did NOT hear about his cocaine use, but here are a few links that say I am not making this up:

Bush should have courage to discuss cocaine issue.
Bush has dodged questions about prior drug use, not saying if he has used cocaine.

statenews.com

According to the introduction by Toby Rogers and Nick Mamatas, in 1998 Michael Dannenhauer, then chief of staff to former President Bush, told Rogers that in the seventies George W. Bush had been "out of control since college. There was cocaine use, lots of women, but the drinking was the worst."

texasobserver.org

Did the President Use Cocaine?

indy.pabn.org