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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (133)	5/15/2003 12:01:16 AM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 520

It is true that soldiers from the Roman legion XV Apollinaris stationed at Carnuntum in the first century CE were called to the East in 63 CE to help fight in a campaign against the Parthians and further to help quell the Jewish revolt in Jerusalem from 66-70 CE. Members of the legion made mithraic dedications back in Carnuntum after their return from these campaigns, possibly as early as 71 or 72 CE. Once these Roman soldiers and the camp-followers of the legions, who included merchants, slaves, and freedmen, started to worship Mithras, argued Cumont, their further movements around the empire served to spread the cult to other areas. Seems a reasonable story of how Mithraism entered the Roman Empire. The legion was from Camuntum which was in present Austria. Sent east in 63 against the Parthians, then the Jewish Jerusalem revolt. Then back to Austria. Slightly before Paul's time. Paul was arrested in 58, imprisoned for two years in Ceasarea, then two more in Rome. Was released then rearrested - not known exactly when - and executed in Rome sometime while Nero was Caesar. Nero died in 68AD.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (133)	5/19/2003 2:09:50 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 520

Mark Twain's War Prayer: "O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. "O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended through wastes of their desolated land in rags & hunger & thirst, sport of the sun-flames of summer & the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave & denied it -- for our sakes, who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask of one who is the Spirit of love & who is the ever-faithful refuge & friend of all that are sore beset, & seek His aid with humble & contrite hearts. Grant our prayer, O Lord & Thine shall be the praise & honor & glory now & ever, Amen."

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (133)	5/26/2003 9:40:43 AM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 520

I was at my first synagogue service this weekend, my son was invited to a friend's bar mitzvah, and while there I had a chance to read one of the commentators introduction to the Torah that was on hand in the pews. He argued against the fundamentalist view that the Torah is the actual word of God, and that it is instead representative of the jewish peoples' search for God. The notion that people wrote the bible and not God is a modern day one and is another example of history's effect on religion, imo.