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History's effect on Religion

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Introduction Compact

This forum is for objective analysis of the facts and the history of various religions. It also serves a place to find research material on various religions. The idea is to provide information and prompt research through civil and objective discourse.

This is not a forum for pushing one religion above all others or to get into a contest of which religion is "better" or the one "true" religion. You may not expect others to take on faith your beliefs. So saying "this is so because Bible says it is" is unacceptable. But reasoning that such verse from Bible addressed a specific need or was essential in the context of its time (i.e. objective analysis) is ok. If your idea cannot stand on its own and needs to push others' down to make itself known, then either you do not know it as well as you should, or it is wrong all together.

It is absolutely, positively, NOT ok to put down a religion (even a pagan one) or make fun of a belief. We are not engaging in philosophical or theological debates about the virtues of a belief. The fallowing examples are meant to clarify the rules:

On Style:

Stating that "Buddhism is nothing but hallucinations of a starving nutcase" is unacceptable as it is an empty opinion voiced in an incendiary manner that prompts name calling. On the other hand, stating that "Buddha's visions at the Bodhi Tree may have been the result of his extreme fasting as evidenced by..." is ok. Both statements are pretty much off topic and if they lead to disruption will be stopped.

On Content:

Claiming Christianity is anti-science and tries to keep the masses ignorant, or any of the "classic" religion versus science bashing arguments is off topic even if the author can factually prove his case. On the other hand, discussing the motivations for and/or history of "scientific" postulations as Christian doctrines is on topic. Tracing the evolution of religious views on science from the beginning all the way through to pope John Paul-II's statement that evolution was "no longer a mere hypothesis" would be a great contribution.

Within these guidelines, there is no political correctness here. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. You may make a case, for example, that Christianity has stayed true to Jesus' teaching. Or you may try to show that it was usurped by Paul. You may claim Koran is accurate and true to its origin, as it was immediately written down. Or you may claim that the whole thing is a hoax that Salman whispered into Mohammed's ears. Needless to say these are very sensitive issues and must be articulated carefully or the thread will degenerate into public brawl quickly, hence the style rule. You have to provide objective reasoning for your claims.

If you find it hard to maintain a civil discourse when your core beliefs are questioned, then this is not the place for you. [Hint: reread the above paragraph and see how you'd respond if those claims were made]

This forum was originally created to continue this discussions: Message 18889500 It is perhaps a worthy read.

Good sources of research include:

cais-soas.com (ancient Persia, Mithraism, etc)
internetdynamics.com (Bible)
al-shia.com (Shia Islam)
shariati.com (Dr, Ali Shariati's views, considered by some as Islamic Protestantism)
muslimphilosophy.com (hundreds of books and articles on Islamic philosophy)

By popular demand, this thread is moderated. If you doubt what you are about to say breaches on the rules, PM me before posting it.
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520	A Mind-Bending Translation of the New Testament At last a translation that does	Sun Tzu	-	12/13/2017
519	The Telegraph is reporting that prominent jihadists " are twice as likely t	Sun Tzu	-	4/23/2016
518	Off the topic of Muslim atrocities and an appeal to a common myth. No one reall	Brumar89	-	10/25/2013
517	Oh, the appeal to the "commonly known" that for centuries insisted the	Sun Tzu	-	10/25/2013
516	No one needs to, you can just read the news. Muslim atrocities are happening da	Brumar89	-	10/25/2013
515	If you are going to turn this into a debate over followers of which religion are	Sun Tzu	-	10/25/2013
514	I'm glad to hear that. I've worked with a bunch of Muslims in the oil i	Brumar89	-	10/25/2013
513	Brumar what your posting against is extremist Islam . My parents were born in th	wallstreeter	-	10/25/2013
512	The unheard story of David and Goliath ted.com	Sun Tzu	-	9/30/2013
511	.... The Mujahideen separatist movements (1947-70) [ edit] The Mujahideen insur	Brumar89	-	5/16/2013
510	Do you have links that describe the history of jihad in Burma? I'd be inter	Sun Tzu	2	5/16/2013
509	Right, and the history of Muslim violence and jihad IN Burma and in the countrie	Brumar89	-	5/16/2013
508	No. It was about a frustrated majority who resent a well off minority. The min	Sun Tzu	2	5/16/2013
507	Because you don't know any Muslims who've killed anyone in YOUR town doe	Brumar89	-	5/16/2013
506	Not only that is not true (for example I don't know of any Muslims who'v	Sun Tzu	1	5/16/2013
505	The fact is that Muslims are aggressively attacking and slaughtering other relig	Brumar89	-	5/16/2013
504	This is not a thread about politics or where you can pander your prejudices. Is	Sun Tzu	2	5/16/2013
503	Maybe they see Muslims slaughtering Buddhists in Thailand and fear that happenin	Brumar89	-	5/11/2013
502	Why are Buddhist monks attacking Muslims? By Alan Strathern Oxford Univers	Sun Tzu	2	5/6/2013
501	We Aren’t the World Here is a fascinating article that points out as far as	Sun Tzu	1	3/7/2013
500	From Bible-Belt Pastor to Atheist Leader Late one night in early May 2011, a p	Sun Tzu	3	8/23/2012
499	It sounds interesting, I check my local library if it is available. I will add i	SARMAN	-	6/25/2012
498	OT - Funny you should mention The Conference of the Birds. I am reading a book	Sun Tzu	-	6/25/2012
497	Absolutely true. Religions are open to wide interpretation. We rely on the, so	SARMAN	-	6/23/2012
496	I've often thought about that and I don't think there is an easy answer.	Sun Tzu	-	6/22/2012

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