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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64085)5/16/2003 2:26:21 PM
From: GVTucker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 77400
 
Lizzie, RE: even if they aren't "granted" yet? You set the 70mm shares aside, and when you gift them there is the actual expense right, but there is no vesting period per se?

This would work for startups because any expense which has to factor in a risk premium won't work for startups. But there is no risk premium in these expenses right?


You've mostly got it right. When the shares are granted, the share grant is expensed. There doesn't have to be a vesting period, no, but I would think that you would want one. The whole objective is to keep key employees in the fold, and if you have a vesting period, they have to stay to get the shares.

One caveat might be in the tax treatment. I don't think the employee gets taxed until the shares vest, but I'm not sure. If the tax liability for the employee occurs when the shares are granted, it might hurt the employee because they'd owe cash taxes but didn't get cash to pay the taxes. Again, I'm not sure about this one, though, although I imagine tax accountants on the thread could tell us.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64085)5/18/2003 6:23:19 AM
From: rkral  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
OT ... LT, re "Please don't tell me BS is used to calculate expenses on restricted stock!"

Black-Scholes is not required for that simple case but, not surprisingly, it does provide the correct answer. After all, non-vested (aka "restricted") stock is just a stock option with an exercise price of $0. :-)

Regards, Ron