To: sea_urchin who wrote (18292 ) 5/18/2003 4:30:40 PM From: Jamey Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81826 Searle, my statement about molecules was a simplification that all life is bound by immutable laws, that cannot be broken easily. I suppose we did it in 1945 when we split the atom. That is an example of what happens when you tamper with nature! I don't like to consider myself guilty of dogma but I do enjoy reading the Bible and learning from it. Many moral lessons that if taken to heart, would save man kind much misery. It is not the fault of the Creator if man, in his vanity, creates creedal philosophies that is in conflict with the word of God. Here is a comment by an investment writer that you probably agree with. Presuppositional Beliefs "As often as not, I find that the basis for disagreement is not in the logic of the arguments or the facts presented, but in the presuppositions of the analyst or writer. To oversimplify somewhat, if you start with the premise that Republican presidents are bad, then everything Bush does is seen in a bad light. If you start with the presumption that Democratic presidents are bad, then everything Clinton did was suspect, if not outright evil. In religion, Cornelius Van Til taught us that the place to begin an intelligent discussion is before you begin to look at the "facts." "The issue between believers and non-believers in Christian theism cannot be settled by a direct appeal to 'facts' or 'laws' whose nature and significance is already agreed upon by both parties to the debate. The question is rather as to what is the final reference-point required to make the 'facts' and the 'laws' intelligible." (Defense of the Faith, Philadelphia, 1967). John Mauldin The church has suffered beyond belief because of dogmatic creeds made by man. True Christianity is pure and simple about loving your neighbor as yourself and to put faith in an obnificent God who will dispell fear of the unknown and allow many (including me) to have the strength to carry on. We must continuously grow into Christ's likeness and to dispel dogma to the best of our ability. I do not judge my faith based on another's beliefs or his failures or successes. I base it upon the word of God and his relationship with me only. James