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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (98804)5/22/2003 12:27:56 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Since you do not refer to a site where one can see the "true" map I take it that any refutation by the Israelis and the Americans must be taken with a grain(several tons) of salt.

One hardly need believe in Dennis Ross and Shlomo Ben Ami as angels of unspun veracity to find your implication that Yasser Arafat and those who work for him are more credible highly peculiar, to say the least. Yasser Arafat, for goodness sakes? You find him credible?!

Do look up Dennis Ross's articles as well and get both sides of the argument. There was a whole series of articles.

One thing that makes accounts of Camp David particularly murky is that negotiations as commonly understood did not happen there. In normal negotiations, each side lays out its starting position, then hammers out a compromise between them. Arafat always refused to lay out a position or make any proposal. So there were Israeli proposals, and American proposals, but no Palestinian proposals. Furthermore, the Americans and Israelis became very wary of laying out specific proposals (i.e. maps) because they learned that Arafat would take any offer in writing not as start for a counter-compromise, but as already given and a start for more demands. So the Israelis stopped making maps at some point and say that the maps the Palestinians point to, were from a much earlier point in the negotiations. I remember President Clinton describing this process when he talked about the negotiations.

For info about the Palestinian's recognition that they had inflicted PR damage on themselves, I suggest looking at MEMRI.org, which is useful because it directly quotes newspaper articles of the time. Go to

memri.org

and look for the several links entitled "The (revised) Palestinian account of Camp David"