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To: KonKilo who wrote (98868)5/23/2003 3:58:18 AM
From: Sig  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
MR Byrd says he wants the Truth:
<<Indeed, we may have sparked a new international arms race as countries move ahead to develop
WMD >>>
Wmd's began long before WW! when someone first poisoned a water well. Always looking for the ultimate weapon and technology seeking a defence.
Modern technology and knowledge was already moving in direction to make it easy for Nations to develop bio-weapons in even a small labotatory..
If this is not stopped or controlled we will always be in dire peril

<<<< As if that were not bad enough, members of Congress are reluctant to ask questions which are
begging to be asked. How long will we occupy Iraq? We have already heard disputes on the
numbers of troops which will be needed to retain order. What is the truth? How costly will the
occupation and rebuilding be? No one has given a straight answer. How will we afford this
long-term massive commitment, fight terrorism at home, address a serious crisis in domestic
healthcare, afford behemoth military spending and give away billions in tax cuts amidst a deficit
which has climbed to over $340 billion for this year alone? If the President's tax cut passes it will be
$400 billion. We cower in the shadows while false statements proliferate. We accept soft answers
and shaky explanations because to demand the truth is hard, or unpopular, or may be politically
costly>>>
. The economic consequences of not being free to trade, of losing air travel or shipping, or having to withdraw within our own borders because of Terrorists actions is immeasurable - in the trillions
The deficit of $340 million is, in the broader sense of GNP,. peanuts
It is less than than the unfortunate shareholders of Cisco (just one company among thousands) lost in market value .
If a Tax cut can get the economy rolling again perhaps they will be able to regain a small portion of the nearly $7 trillion lost in the "bubble". And both Houses of Congress appear to support the tax cut as the right course to take since better options have not been put forwward.
<<< But, I contend that, through it all, the people know. The American people unfortunately are used to
political shading, spin, and the usual chicanery they hear from public officials. They patiently tolerate
it up to a point. But there is a line. It may seem to be drawn in invisible ink for a time, but eventually
it will appear in dark colors, tinged with anger. When it comes to shedding American blood - - when
it comes to wreaking havoc on civilians, on innocent men, women, and children, callous dissembling
is not acceptable. Nothing is worth that kind of lie - - not oil, not revenge, not reelection, not
somebody's grand pipedream of a democratic domino theory.>>>

Yes, the spin is always with us.
The Truth here may not be known except in the hearts of Iraqis and of those who served. Those who by their actions prevented Saddam from conducting wanton executions, burying people alive, putting living souls down a garbage disposal, torturing or gassing his own citizens.
Sig



To: KonKilo who wrote (98868)5/23/2003 11:24:50 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Maybe we still have an opposition party after all...Senator Byrd takes the gloves off:

I agree. Fascinating speech. Pair that with this article in the NYTimes this morning and there might be an ever so slight chance the Dems are waking up.

Senators Sharply Criticize Iraq Rebuilding Efforts
By ERIC SCHMITT


nytimes.com

WASHINGTON, May 22 — Democratic senators assailed the Bush administration's postwar reconstruction effort in Iraq today, peppering Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz with complaints about the planning and execution of the strategy. Even Republicans joined in, offering pointed criticisms of the administration's performance.

Lawmakers have been stewing for weeks over the administration's failure to consult in depth with Congress about the costs, methods and goals of rebuilding Iraq, and some of those frustrations boiled over at a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The concerns from lawmakers underscored the challenges facing the administration not only in Iraq, but also in maintaining support in Congress, allied capitals and among the American public for the difficult and dangerous postwar mission.

"I am concerned that the administration's initial stabilization and reconstruction efforts have been inadequate," said Senator Richard G. Lugar, an Indiana Republican who heads the committee. "The planning for peace was much less developed than the planning for war." Mr. Lugar said the physical and political reconstruction of Iraq could take at least five years.

In a particularly testy exchange, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, the panel's senior Democrat, berated Mr. Wolfowitz for the administration's failure to acknowledge publicly that the postwar efforts would cost billions of dollars, require years of involvement and get the United States bogged down just as it is in the Balkans.

"When is the president going to tell the American people that we're likely to be in the country of Iraq for three, four, five, six, eight, 10 years, with thousands of forces and spending billions of dollars? Because it's not been told to them yet." Mr. Biden said. "I don't know about you, but home constituency doesn't understand that. They think Johnny and Jane are going to come marching home pretty soon."

Mr. Wolfowitz said the pace of reconstruction was hard to pre- dict. "It's possible that things will go faster," he said.

When he tried to discuss Iraq's resources for rebuilding the country — notably its enormous oil fields — Mr. Biden cut him off.

"What are the resources?" Mr. Biden demanded. "For us just to get to the point where we're talking about increasing to 1 million barrels per day export, there's going to be a need for a $5 billion investment in the oil fields to get to that point."

In his opening statement, Mr. Wolfowitz acknowledged that security, especially in Baghdad, was still a problem, but he said that media reports of looting, lawlessness and violence in the Iraqi capital overlooked improving conditions there and in other Iraqi cities.

He reaffirmed the administration's long-term commitment to rebuilding Iraq, and ticked off a list of initial successes, from the availability of electricity in Basra all day long for the first time in 12 years, to the reopening of primary schools throughout Iraq.

"We cannot afford to fail," Mr. Wolfowitz told the senators. "We cannot afford to allow Iraq to revert to the remnants of the Baathist regime that now ranges throughout Iraq in their desperate bid for influence and power."

But even as he sought understanding for the difficulties confronting a monumental rebuilding task that has been under way for only a month or so, Mr. Wolfowitz was greeted with skepticism from many senators.

Senator Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement that "we may have underestimated or mischaracterized the challenges of establishing security and rebuilding Iraq."

Democrats were far more punishing in their assessments.

"It is very hard to fathom what the administration's strategy is with respect to the immediate stabilization of the situation, let alone the longer-term reconstruction of Iraq," Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, said in a statement.

Senator Russell D. Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat, accused the administration of squandering a well executed military campaign with "a half-baked plan for reconstruction."

"Answers from the administration about the scope of the job, and the likely requirements in terms of U.S. manpower, resources and time, remain vague at best," he said in a statement.

Mr. Wolfowitz acknowledged that the administration misjudged how quickly qualified Iraqi police officers could be trained and assigned to duty and that Pentagon officials erred by not having Jay Garner, the first civilian administrator, brief lawmakers more fully before leaving for the Persian Gulf in March. Otherwise, Mr. Wolfowitz gave a spirited defense of the Pentagon's planning for the war's aftermath.

He said he stood by his criticism of Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, who suggested in February that it could take "something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" to stabilize Iraq. Mr. Wolfowitz said he interpreted that to mean 300,000 troops or more, and the Pentagon did not envision needing that many.

Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who joined Mr. Wolfowitz, said there were 145,000 American troops in Iraq with 18,000 more from the Army's First Armored Division on the way. Beyond that, General Pace said, there are no plans to increase American force levels. There are also about 20,000 British troops in Iraq.

Mr. Wolfowitz also defended a decision by L. Paul Bremer III, the new civilian administrator, to delay the selection of an interim civilian Iraqi authority until security improved and American officials took more time to vet Iraqi representatives.

"If the situation in Iraq is somewhat messy now," he said, "it's likely to seem even messier as Iraqis sort out their political process."



To: KonKilo who wrote (98868)5/23/2003 10:32:54 PM
From: Dayuhan  Respond to of 281500
 
There's a period during - and immediately after - any war, during which criticism of the administration is considered unpatriotic. That period seems to be over.

Of course there are some who consider any criticism of the administration unpatriotic, but that attitude has no place in a democracy. The first responsibility of any citizen of a democratic nation is to doubt every word spoken by a politician, of any ideological stripe. Only constant surveillance will keep them honest, and that goes for all of them, of any party.