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To: KonKilo who wrote (98994)	5/24/2003 1:07:40 AM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Respond to of 281500

Yes...SC.....That Was One Problem. Few were willing ( or able )to debate intelligently while having their concerns and positions drowned out by the noise of the War Machine, building so much pressure that it could only be released by an all out attack on a somewhat defenseless country. It drowned out the UN – but it is an irrelevant and despotic group of navel gazers It drowned out many historical American Friends & Allies – but they are chicken shit fair weather friends. It drowned out war veterans – but they are just malcontents who learned nothing from their service. It drowned out Military leaders from years past – but they should just shut up and get with the program. It drowned out Political leaders from years past,one closely related to the CIC. - but they are to be ignored It drowned out religious leaders from most denominations – but this had nothing to do with religion . It drowned out Peace Proponents the World Over - but they are all communists It drowned out pretty well any and all opponents to the adventure,regardless of how realistic or researched their concerns were,how genuine they were in their contributions,or how logical their arguments. Nothing mattered. " Let's Roll " was their war cry. Now that the noise of reality is beginning to be heard,they search for answers and excuses and wonder what went wrong,and who to blame. Now they try to drown out these realities by switching away from them,focusing conveniently now on a road map to peace, that ironically had the potential to circumvent the " war " in the first place,had it been introduced and " enforced " ,but that is a difficult and inconclusive assumption on my part. But on this particular subject of the current situation : Those who did continue through the noise brought up concerns regarding disorder,but mostly from the perspective of rival factions trying to fill the power vacume.This was some time back actually,before it got to the point of no return. But as has been mentioned,prior to the attack,it was discussed,to some degree,the concern of what plans,if any, were in place in a Post Attack Iraq. These concerns were dismissed outright as another attack by the no-nothing lefties who were just trying to score political points,that they all hated America,that they were all just a bunch of anti-war University Professionals who knew nothing about War And Peace and civilization. We now lovingly defer our future and America's Foreign Policy direction to the Binary-Bills and Naddeling Nadines of the world,and those who accept their logic (or lack thereof ),since they obviously know what's best for us and the rest of the world over………………. Shudder..... PS: Regarding JohnM…..it’s unfortunate America cannot produce more like him.I salute his persistent logic and perspective in an otherwise vast sea of disparate attempts to understand the world and Foreign Affairs. KC@ICantBelieveItsNotButter.Con

To: KonKilo who wrote (98994)	5/24/2003 5:52:57 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Blix suspects there are no weapons of mass destruction Rory McCarthy in Baghdad and Jeevan Vasagar Saturday May 24, 2003 The Guardian The chief UN weapons inspector, Hans Blix, said yesterday that he suspected that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, He added that "in this respect" the war might not have been justified. "I am obviously very interested in the question of whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction - and I am beginning to suspect there possibly were none," he said in an interview with the Berlin newspaper Der Tagesspiegel. Dr Blix, who retires next month, has previously condemned as "shaky" the evidence presented by British and American intelligence before the war, and said that it was "conspicuous" that they had failed to make significant discoveries after the war. But in yesterday's interview, he went further. He said: "The main justification for the war was weapons of mass destruction, and it may turn out that in this respect the war was not justified." He referred to Saddam Hussein's chief scientific adviser, Lieutenant General Amer al-Saadi, who surrendered last month and said in an interview: "Nothing else will come out after the end of the war." "The fact that al-Saadi surrendered and said there were no weapons of mass destruction has led to me to ask myself whether there actually were any," Dr Blix said. "I don't see why he would still be afraid of the regime. Other leading figures have said the same." Iraq's evasive behaviour could have been due to Saddam's desire to dictate the conditions under which people could enter the country. "For that reason he said 'no' in many situations and gave the impression he was hiding something." The White House, which accused Dr Blix of hindering its drive for international support for the war, has sent its own inspectors to Iraq. The security situation made it impractical for UN inspectors to rerurn and work alongside the US, Dr Blix said. Collaboration might also be tricky for political reasons. "I also have the impression that the negative attitude to UN inspectors...is turning into a generally defensive attitude towards the United Nations." Lieutenant General David McKiernan, commander of land forces in Iraq, insisted that the hunt for chemical, biological and nuclear weapon would continue. "We continue to get reports of locations and we go and exploit them," he said. "I am personally a believer that we have not fully developed the intelligence on locations." Most of the intelligence was now coming from the Iraqi people themselves. The US military task force hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is due to leave next month. Its officers are reported to be frustrated by their failure to find Saddam Hussein's banned weapons . Mr Blix ended the interview with a touch of humour. Asked about his retirement plans, he talked of spending time on a small Swedish island where "I look forward to going hunting for wild mushrooms." guardian.co.uk