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To: yard_man who wrote (34382)	5/26/2003 10:56:16 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

You're right t2pet! I failed to put my posting in the right context. I was trying to point out only what happen with energey sources. But since it was related to a posting about fuel cells, it appeared I was comparing fossil fuel sources with an "alternative" fuel cells. Yes, forget fuel cells, which are only another way to use the existing fuels. It started like that: Some weirdoes concoted an idea of Zero Emissions for vehicles to be sold in California a few years back. Someone smelled the cash and shouted fuel cells. Around the table everyone noded: yes. What they have forgot was that what it took to get it there. I think this weird idea has been forgotten. Someone told the Californians -and the Swedes- that they are at the fore fort of every initiative. They believed in the propaganda and went for it. Only this time it didn't happen. Other problem is that there are technical solutions for problems of a spacecraft of NASA -fuel cells, refrigeration, thermo-insulation just to name a few- that people then take as a solution for a problems here in Earth. Fuel cells is a case in point. This stuff they develop for NASA is cost-no objection, zero defect and such. It is another world those of spacecarft things. Down here -as we say in Brazil- "the hole is a little lower".

To: yard_man who wrote (34382)	5/27/2003 4:06:04 AM
From: EL KABONG!!!	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi tippet, Though the current research and prototypes might suggest that fuel cells will forever be dependent upon fossil fuels for their primary source of energy, I think that, ultimately, the fuel cell will come into its own primary usage only after someone eventually figures out how to convert solar energy (or any other renewable energy source) into an economically viable cell. Call it a perpetual energy source, only for lack of a better phrase... The research work that is being put into fuel cells today will provide the basis for the fuel cell of tomorrow. Unfortunately, not many (if any) of us alive today will live long enough to see the eventual fruits of today's labor. Much work remains, not the least of which is even further reducing the size of today's fuel cell to micro-miniatures for tomorrow's world. But I have no doubt that someday it will happen, just likely not in my lifetime. <g> KJC