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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24468)	5/27/2003 10:56:41 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 25898

Well stated, but logic is lost on that Bush hating, antiAmerican dimwit.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24468)	5/27/2003 11:30:58 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

Hawk, Sometimes you really impress me. With how much knowledge of weapons systems you have, and then again, with how seemingly naive you are about the nature of imperialism and hegemony. There aren't many who are still fooling themselves with the unobservant view that the U.S. is not attempting to become an empire. Twelve aircraft carrier based battle groups aren't the methods of a reticent and isolationist nation. Military bases and installations in 125 nations is something that only one nation on the planet maintains. Guess who? This doesn't equate to "national defense". It does amount to an assault on the natural resources of the entire planet, for the sake of "American interests". Which isn't you or me, but rather the greedy grasping of corporate owners. Though you seem to confuse your existence with theirs, for some obscure reason. Re: Were we an imperial power, we would have colonized all of Europe and Japan after the war.. We did, in an economic sense. And we did occupy Germany and Japan for several years. BTW, Hawkmoon, have your read PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses"? You certainly can't have read that treatise of the neo-cons who now control the Pentagon and not believe that American Empire is the goal. Here's a quick synopsis of the PNAC outlook on life: informationclearinghouse.info .......This Imperial Pickle.....

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24468)	5/28/2003 12:24:37 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

The only thing imperialistic about the US is it's belief that the only form of truly legitimate government is one that is accountable to its people through a democratic vote. ROFLMAO! You mean like when we tried to pressure the rest of the world's leaders into supporting our war against the wishes of their populations? Tom

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24468)	5/28/2003 1:12:16 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

The only thing imperialistic about the US is it's belief that the only form of truly legitimate government is one that is accountable to its people through a democratic vote. <<< . . . Created by the CIA in Saigon in 1967, Phoenix was a program aimed at "neutralizing"—through assassination, kidnapping, and systematic torture—the civilian infrastructure that supported the Viet Cong insurgency in South Vietnam . . . >>> thememoryhole.org In other words, terrorize the population so that the only popular political party in South Vietnam (the National Liberation Front) would lose its political base. Tom