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To: tsigprofit who wrote (1674)	5/28/2003 4:08:09 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Spin vs. Reality: Re: I agree with him pushing through the $ 15 billion for AIDS. Good for him. This is much over-hyped in the media. First, $5 Billion was stolen from other research efforts on malaria, bilharzia and other tropical diseases and redirected to AIDS. Second, this is either a five year or a ten year budget figure, depending on which source you rely on. So, in actuality, GWB is robbing existing programs for the sake of a sound bite. Keep your eye on the shells in this game. The funding is back-ended in this budgetary fantasy. All the better to delete the funding (as Bush tried to do this year with Afghanistan) once the public's attention is distracted by the next shell game. Re: I agree with him pushing all sides - Israel and the Palestinians, to make peace. Bush isn't pushing Sharon. He's caving in. Here's a couple of maps to prove that the occupation and extirpation of Palestine is a vision shared by Bush and Sharon: Proposed Camp David Agreement: passia.org Proposed Taba (Jan, 2001) Agreement: passia.org I would love to see an honest map of what is being proposed today. We will find that Sharon is slicing the Palestinian lands into unfeasible, uneconomic island ghettoes surrounded by Israeli settlements, highways and walls. Yes, it is ironic that Sharon is imposing the same ghetto existence on Palestinians that Hitler imposed on European Jewry seven decades ago.

To: tsigprofit who wrote (1674)	5/28/2003 6:18:47 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 20773

Why persist in this moronic pissing match about whether Bush or Clinton lied more to the American people? They are both two-bit, penny ante, self-serving demagogues who seized on the lack of decent characters in American politics to grab the White House, courtesy of the gullibility of the American public. They make (made) a mockery of the office compared to the few truly great men who have occupied it (hopefully great woman sooner rather than later). This debate is like listening to a kid tell a story about drag racing his friend after sharing 16 beers and arguing which one of them was responsible for both cars ending up wrapped around a telephone pole. Duh. A genuine moderate should hope for much better than what we have seen in the White House the last 40-50 years. There is no virtue or character in either one of these stories.