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To: Bilow who wrote (44193)	6/1/2003 10:05:04 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

<<(1) The fatwa was not to "help" US forces, but instead not to get in their way. >> Fall of Baghdad in 21 days is a classic victory of conventional cum technologically advance forces over what was the fourth largest Army in the world. That said ‘Fatwa’ was issued not to impede the 40km/hr advance towards forces to Baghdad, that was unfortunately the time when a suicide bomber had taken few lives and a sand storm had impeded the progress towards Baghdad ( please refer to your posts AT THAT TIME they are extremely educational material of how to make erroneous reading and defend them at a later time frame a with a benefit of hindsight), the encirclement of the tyrant of Baghdad and his entire 13 divisions were still pegged in Northern region expecting the assault from North and not South. Now from deception to mass surrender and en-masse escape of the feared republican guard was not a part of any liberal strategy or for that matter your predictions, it was a strategy of lean and mean attack and shock and awe that Tommy frank authored. The ‘fatwa’ still is in operation and in my last trip to Kuwait last week I had seen the entire leadership of the Shiites who are more concerned with negative repercussions of an Islamic type revolution, Najaf and Karbela for Shiites are like Mecca and Median for Muslims. To see these cities falling to so called infidels without the bloodbath is a success that only a Middle Eastern or man of some deep understanding of the region can appreciate. US forces are very much in control and I will like you to know that coming from someone who has visited these areas in last fourteen days, the ground realities are quite different, in the fields of Rumailah the oil is being pumped as never before the sanctions are all gone the naysayer have legitimised the entire exercise by giving the keys to allies, what else is success if this is not success, even the new security council resolution which was being hampered as that would imply legitimacy passed without any no vote under a Muslim nation presidency of the council. << (2) The guy who gave it is dead now, killed by the Iraqis themselves. >> You are totally wrong here. The guy who gave the fatwa is very much alive, he is Ayatollah Sistani, the guy who is dead is Khoei, Khoei was the grandson of grand Ayatollah Khoei. Please correct your information on that if you don’t mind, the murder of Khoei was not based on some religious or ideological matter but Muqtada al-Sadr the man behind the murder a staunch anti- Saddam man whose father was murdered by Saddam henchman decades back was envious with the entry of more articulate Khoei. The control of holy sites of Najaf and Karbela the tomb of Ali and Hussein is like control of Wahabis of the twin holy mosques at Mecca and Medina from bin Shariffs of Hijaz, that control led practical Saudi legitimacy of the control of Islam... Mix oil and control of twin holy sites and Saudi from a Sultanate of Nejad emerged to become the power that took the centre stage from the Ottoman dissolved empire, a kingdom that never attracted attention of any Ottoman Turkish caliphate become the driving force behind Islam, the rise of Wahabis in Nejd alone would have been a non-entity it was fall of Hijaz that made Saudi a power that what it is today. In a similar vein the rise of Karbela and Najaf the twin holy cities of the Shiite Islam has some similar importance, the Hezbollah’s of Lebanon and Ayatollahs of Iran will look at the control of the two cities with some envy, the murder of Khoei should be seen in that context, moreover if you have any knowledge of the desires Islami and the Monsoon Islam or the Akhbari Shiites and the Asuli Shiites you would have not made much out of the Khoei- Sadar conflict, the control of the tombs is far bigger subject and part of the Iraqi forth coming politics. Baqar Hakim the grand Ayatollah has been a constant feature of opposition conferences in London, most of these conferences were US inspired and paid for, I may assume that these are also people on pay list of US and they have shown some inclination not to toe a line that will bifurcate the South from the naturally rich valley of Euphrates and Tigris. <(3) Hanoi was the capital city of the Vietnamese. Cairo or Riyadh is the capital city of the Arabs, so your comparison fails logically. > I think relevance to my whole post is important, when I wrote that sentence I was responding to your post. Where you were hell bent to make similarities with Vietnam and Iraq since you had 10 thousand books on Vietnam and you know everything better than anyone else, Hanoi and Giap reference to Karbela and Sistani is water tight, Karbela- Najaf is the capital of Shiite Islam as much revered as Hanoi was to the North, Sistani with Baqar Hakim is no lesser a figure in the southern part where the war was called as stalemate between 24-26th of March by great pundits, they completely failed to see that the tanks have to take 10 days to reach Baghdad, the head of the monster was to be cut and Basra actually fall after Baghdad so did all the other cities, that was the plan and that is how things were executed cleanly. << Our problem in Vietnam was that Vietnamese speaking rebels, supported out of parts of Vietnam that we did not occupy, supported the rebels in South Vietnam. Similarly, our (long term) problem in Iraq is that Arab speakers outside of Iraq will support rebels in Iraq against us. >> Is Bishar Ul Assad on of these Arab speaking man supposed to help the rebels? He is rather packing everyone out of Syria, is King Abdullah the other guy who is going to help? Or the Iranians? Who are not Arabic speaking anyway or Saudis Alqaeda bandits who are much more radicalized and extremists in Nejad but this region of Assar province in South West of Saudi Arabia very near to Yemen. Are they going to lend their support thousand of miles I their convertible in a landscape where nothing can hide, no natural help exists for a Ho-chi Minh trail type of support. So much has changed since overthrow of greatest of the rejectionist in the region that the entire region will democratizes in few decades these states with strongman will fall, freedom for Iraqi has been very good, they have tasted spiritual benefits of a free nation, they can pray in open congregation, they can express their dissent and they will develop like we call developed from our collective guilt of greatest world wars and crimes of extinction and holocausts. Don’t underestimate the recuperative ability of human beings, a freed human being can make few mistakes but would definitely progress, we all shall, doom and gloom has no place in modern day and age optimism and hope is the new lingo. <<That the Arabs would do the same thing against us as they did against>> The Arabs have accepted the road map, some isolated incidents of terrorists attacks are happening in a country that is now under occupation that is Iraq but Arab street has not shown any significant sign of unrest. The Arab world is meeting Bush and discussing the threat to the very regimes of Saudis from extremists whom these Saud’s were harbouring from far too long, they have now realised that twin tower was not the aim the aim is the house of Saud and the clergy that dominated Saudi politics. Actually the threat of terror has now become clear and visible, the ambivalence is all gone after Casablanca and Riyadh if anything else these vermin’s who are out to take the world in the medieval ages have a new enemy even Saud al- Feisal called them as agent provocateurs who are out to take Saudi to medievalism. Now post Iraq your predictions were a war that would never end guerrilla attacks that will swell and road map of peace was anyway not even a part of your wildest imagination, these constructive steps where inaction of Saudis have been replaced by action with a jolt of Riyadh and commitment of USA to the region, these Arabs fully realise that the battle ground of the terror network is in their own backyard and countries who provide them sanctuaries like Iraq do disservice to the Islamic world. My best regards, lets move on....