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To: KLP who wrote (99492)	5/30/2003 11:40:23 AM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 281500

Very well said KLP. M

To: KLP who wrote (99492)	5/30/2003 2:38:31 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Even Wolfowitz is back-tracking now, so I don't think there is much chance of being proven wrong. The main WMD search teams are packing up and coming home, the secondary teams are being re-tasked to other jobs. And, again, if any evidence does "turn up", it needs to be evidence corroborated by a reliable source, not the US or UK governments. And the "proofs" have to be more substantial than "process of elimination" proofs. Their credibility is shot, except among the True Believers. It's an open question, of whether we will kill more Iraqis than Saddam would have. Would Saddam have killed 20,000 Iraqis in the last 2 months? That's the body count so far. And, based on our track record in Afghanistan, it's also an open question, about whether Iraq will be more free and democratic as a U.S. colony, than under Saddam. I know, it's a matter of Faith, for you to Believe that all those good Enlightenment ideals follow wherever U.S. soldiers go. Maintaining this Faith, requires willfully ignoring a vast amount of evidence to the contrary. I supported the war in Afghanistan, and still do. Like everyone else, I thought anything we replaced the Taliban with, had to be an improvement. I was wrong. We have replaced organized tyranny with chaotic tyranny. Every single one of the statements you said, in the post I'm replying to, is factually wrong. The Taliban are training, on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border. The warlords, who we fund and support, treat women no better than the Taliban did. The infrastructure is not being rebuilt. It is less of a nation now, and there is less order and security, than under the Taliban. Would 105 years be a long enough time, for you? What we are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq, isn't much different from what we did in Cuba and the Phillipines after 1898. The excuses, the euphemisms, the glorious rhetoric that masks a bloody colonial conquest, followed by decades of tyranny, it's all the same.