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To: Stephen L who wrote (6544)6/2/2003 8:04:14 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Respond to of 46821
 
Hi Stephen,

The true test of any digital system is its ability to accurately replicate visual images and auditory sounds that are, by nature, innately analog. And therein lies the irony of discussing the merits of digital vs. analog.

Of course, with travel over great distances and the time lapse implied by such due to propagation, analog signals deteriorate due to the influences of phase shift and the introduction of noise and other artifacts stemming from nonlinearities, etc., all of which having the effect of distorting those signals by the time they reach their destination. It's therefore necessary to digitally encode analog signals, ship them over the longer distance, and then explode them back to their original analog form for presentation to the human (sensory) interface.

This, I suppose, is what the fuss is all about over on the Gilder board: the fact that the human interface can only appreciate the analog signal form, and if this is so, it could be argued, then why not just perfect analog as opposed to going through all of the hullabaloo of digital. Not to diminish the validity of this notion, ther are good reasons, from a price performance angle, to continue to employ analog techniques in niche situations. Just as free-space optics are still highly justified as opposed to planar techniques for certain applications. Such as in certain opto-electric camera applications, and for short haul video links, as I note below.

It makes for some interesting reading, if nothing else, especially when plausible methods are suggested that would support doing so. But this doesn't diminish the importance of the other reasons to digitally encode, and those have to do with the ability to manage, route, store, process and transmit these signals in any of a near-infinite number of a ways. Doing so in the analog realm just hasn't been addressed to the same degree (historically, such features used to manipulate analog signals were only possible through relatively "manual, or electro-mechanical" means), much less perfected, except under the control of systems that use digital processing techniques.

I recall working on the engineering necessary to deliver the original Bloomberg terminals to a large brokerage back in the early Nineties. Bloomberg's screen quality was by far the most impressive, in terms of luminance, color and crispness, of any of the fifty or sixty market data vendors who we worked with at the time. And they were using a classical RGB/S cabling scheme between the screen and the closet controller (big fat black cabling that we converted to optical), as opposed to the LAN-fed, local cpu-based digital approaches that the others had begun using at the time, as opposed to the video-switch based analog systems.

Of course, on the Bloomberg system each color rode over its own multiplexed super-high resolution FM/FDM channel that was superimposed onto a multimode fiber wavelength, and each (color) enjoyed its own 300 to 600 MHz of bandwidth. This was hardly the cheapest way to get news and quotes to the trading desk, but that was the price one paid at that time for super-high-resolution video.

Commercial TV broadcast studios are forced to live with the same dichotomy. For very short haul use, analog systems are still very much in demand, and still offer better price-performance than digital when the objective is to merely capture and port images over short haul distances. But when distances reach a certain threshold and begin to affect signal quality, they revert to digital forms of encoding and transmission over longer haul section(s), and then convert back to analog at the remote site or intermediate drop-offs along a network's backbone.

re: "What do you think about the most recent ADSL systems? How much life can be breathed back into copper. My guess is quite a bit."

I've been impressed by some of the claims made by those developing ADSL2 products. Not so much for the increased speeds they offer, which are obviously also important, but for the added functionality that they support at the customer premises location, some bordering on the ability to double as routers and gateways, should they elect to offer those capabilities. But the potential to do so is there, nonetheless.

Whether these new bit bangers can actually scale when pushed to the limit of HDTV expectations over the next couple of years is equally a function of how their dslams operate, as it is the ability to recover from modulation at the home. Dave Burstein has done some writing on this subject recently making some valid observations, imo, which I think is only appropriate for me to point out. His DSLPrime reports can be viewed at:

dslprime.com

In a more general sense, how do I feel about pursuing ever greater speeds over greater lengths using xDSL? I think that at some point we reach a point of diminishing returns, when viewed against the capabilities of competing technologies. Yes, where there is no hope for ftth or cm over an identifiable interim period, sure, dsl is the way to go. It's a lot better than having to live with V.90 or ISDN, for example.

One problem that I see with taking this approach, however, is that it removes any incentive by the carriers/service providers to go the extra step and install a more robust platform in the future, for fear of prematurely abandoning one (in this case, xDSL) that has not yet paid for itself.

And as Burstein so aptly points out, the CM camp will be readying itself with a new arsenal of bandwidth and enhanced features that the DSL camp will find very difficult to compete against. Likewise, I might add, this same form of disadvantage will be brought upon the xDSL camp by those who are forging ahead with broadband wireless and ftth access platforms, as well. So, where will this leave xDSL in two years time, even at the higher speeds now being touted? I don't know for sure, but I'll bet they will be somewhere behind the 8-ball in comparative terms, even more so than they are now.

What do you and others think about this?

FAC



To: Stephen L who wrote (6544)6/2/2003 10:29:10 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 46821
 
Stephen,

One aspect to the question you raised concerning DSL, which I omitted mentioning earlier, has to do with the paradoxical situation now taking place w.r.t. customers disconnecting their landlines in favor of alternative technologies and communicating modalities, and the availability of new dsl offerings that use multiple copper pairs to achieve higher throughputs.

Such "platooning" schemes (the use of multiple pairs in concert to achieve higher bit rates) would allow greater throughputs through inverse multiplexing schemes, as explained in the bolded portion of the release that follows. From converge digest:

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Metalink Shows Ethernet over SHDSL and over VDSL

Metalink is demonstrating 10 Mbps symmetric Ethernet over SHDSL. The service configuration uses four copper pairs carrying 2.5 Mbps and each using PAM 16 modulatiSon; or three pairs carrying 3.3 Mbps and each using PAM 32 modulation. Metalink said its solution can carry full Ethernet speed to a distance of 12 kft (4 km). Metalink is also showing its Fast-EoVDSL technology, which uses QAM line coding to enable bit rates of 60 Mbps downstream and 40 Mbps upstream.
metalink.co.il
02-Jun-03
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We've covered other vendors on this board who have released similar products in the past, some purporting to use as many as twelve to twenty four pairs of copper in order to achieve throughputs of up to 50 Mb/s and beyond over extended distances, in relative terms, to multi-dwelling units (MDUs) and so-ho locations. Elastic's anagramic cousin, Actelis, comes to mind.

Let's face it. With the proliferation of cellular/pcs, and with broadband wireless just around the corner, and with cable modem and fiber making increasing headway into users' homes (not just in oure numbers, but in the types of applications they can now support, as well, including voice), there will be lots of copper out there to be had that could easily be used in such platooning schemes. We'll very likely be seeing more of this as time goes by.

FAC