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To: Paul Viapiano who wrote (10920)	6/2/2003 3:44:34 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 306849

Bi-lingual education didn't and doesn't work... I can't imagine why it should not work. My Grandfather and his brother and sister went to school in a different country every few years, finally graduating from Hollywood High between 1912 and 1920. Upon completion of their education they spoke five languages and had respectively become a Doctor, an Attorney, and a real estate developer. American's phobia about speaking other languages is very odd. I studied five and speak three.

To: Paul Viapiano who wrote (10920)	6/2/2003 3:58:28 PM
From: Mr. Sunshine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

Paul, the problems you listed with the California educational schools have nothing to do with Prop 13. Good list and I agree for the most part - but I feel it reinforces my point that most of the problems are with the teaching and not the spending. In fact, some of the programs you claim failed cost a lot to implement. It is not the money the system has, but how it is spent that matters most.

To: Paul Viapiano who wrote (10920)	6/2/2003 9:55:24 PM
From: marcher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

"There's only one thing that works and that is hard work by the student, parental participation and encouragement, and not babysitting and coddling students." Paul, I agree. This is especially true for students with below average skills. "Compulsory passing of students to the next grade level when they should be failing...it doesn't work..." Unfortunately, retaining a student at a grade level really doesn't work. Excellent educational research, including meta-analysis, has found no positive long-term effects for student retention. A better approach is to extend the school day (after-school basic skills instruction) and extend the school year (summer school basic skills instruction). In both cases the solution is, simply, working harder at the appropriate instructional level. Reducing the teacher-student ratio for after-school and summer school classes is also likely to help these students gain the academic skills they need. --Marc