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To: Mr. Sunshine who wrote (10926)	6/2/2003 4:20:56 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

I agree prop 13 is not the sole reason for bad schools in CA. It contributes to the problem, though, on a whole host of levels. You cannot expect education to hold any sort of quality levels in a state with the highest cost of living where your per capita spending is the lowest. One of the reasons it costs so much to live here is due to this law, at the same time the tax receipts are lower for schools due to this law, its a double whammy. Additionally, there are management issues withing the schools because of course there are only a very few people willing to work in thankless conditions like the california teaching climate. I am close to your age... one thing I believe changed at some point wrt California or maybe everywhere is the notion that screwing others in order to get more for yourselves is ok. I can't recall but I think an inherent sense of fairness used to exist in CA. This law is unfair, it hurts the technology industry and benefits people who just happened to live here in the 70s and 80s, many of whom have moved away. Hopefully the tech lobby (which is still very powerful in CA unlike the national situation) can poke some holes in prop 13 and maybe get it removed.

To: Mr. Sunshine who wrote (10926)	6/2/2003 10:24:44 PM
From: marcher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

"...my point that most of the problems are with the teaching and not the spending." Steve, how did you come to this conclusion? My experience is that most of the problems in California are due to the diversity of students in California schools. I believe the cultural and linguistic diversity of California students is nearly twice that of the second most diverse state (Florida?). If I'm not mistaken, over 50% of California students are identified as culturally or linguistically diverse. Compare this to the next most diverse state with a 30% "diverse" student population. Within these diverse populations, one must look closely at the socio-economic factors to get a better idea of what the problems are. With such a complex student population, why should we expect students to score higher on tests than other states that allocate more money per student? Why should California teachers/students be expected to outperform teachers/students from other states that receive more support? --Marc