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To: Neocon who wrote (100384)	6/5/2003 1:40:33 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

It was nice to see someone not take the low road........ Agreed. I blame the Internet and its speed. Everything has to happen now. Unfortunately, the speed and ease of the Iraqi campaign will lead public opinion to require that the hunt for WMDs lead to immediate results, that Iraq be a constitutional democracy within 6 months, etc. By the way, what exactly is a neocon?

To: Neocon who wrote (100384)	6/5/2003 1:56:24 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Neocon; Re: "... there was no disagreement among allied intelligence services that Saddam had WMDs ..." The guy is mistaken at best, except that he uses the word "allied". Of course our allies agreed that there was weapons of mass destruction. That was the legal justification for the war. If they hadn't believed in the legal justification, they wouldn't have been our allies. But it's now clear that what Bush and Blair did was to simply repeatedly ask the intelligence services for intelligence estimates until they got reports that showed what they wanted. That those reports were based on flimsy evidence didn't bother Bush or Blair. All they wanted was the reports, and then they lied to the public about how certain those estimates were. The UN weapons inspectors said that there was no evidence that Iraq had any. What they were looking for was more complete evidence that weapons that all agree that Iraq had once had, had since been destroyed. But oh yeah, the UN wasn't our "ally", was it. Should I go fetch a collection of statements by neoconservatives about how ineffective the UN weapons inspectors were? About how the UN weapons inspectors were deliberately avoiding looking in places where the weapons were well known to be hidden? About how the US would locate weapons within hours of entering the country? The fact is that not a single Scud missile was fired. Nor did all those US special forces locate a single illegal missile. It was all a lie by the administration. What's worse, the administration continues to lie. It's an ongoing lie. Remember Clinton and the Blue Dress? Clinton perverted our court system and lied under oath. Bush lied to the American people and killed American soldiers and citizens. He's destroyed our alliances with powerful countries like France, Germany and Turkey, and replaced them with weak useless countries like Spain and Poland. The guy's a disaster. And he's taking the rest of the conservative half of this country down with him. Just like Nixon did. -- Carl