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To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (100561)	6/7/2003 2:00:22 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Bush has cleared the way by giving Iraq an enema ,no doubt part of the " deal " with Arik,that if successful , would have them both emulated as joint Nobel Peace Price Laureates ,and virtually guaranteed re-(s)election. If after this they are unable to navigate the treacherous waters of reconciliation ,due to special interest groups sabotaging the process and being allowed to have their way against the World's ONLY superduberpower and it's little cousin, the ME Superpower,then its obvious that terrorism does indeed get results.The fallout will be monumental. But that is where you both lose it Nadine.You are unwilling or unable to connect those two simple little dots.You know,the ones that draw the connection between the radicals and their desire to quash the peace process.Until this is spelled out clearly and handled from that very perspective, both Hamas and those in Israel ( or the US ) who don’t want this to work will be allies. This argument implies that success or failure depends on what Bush and Sharon do or don't do -- what about the other players? what about the Arab governments? Who do you think has more influence over Hamas, President Bush or Crown Prince Abdullah? This is where you don't "connect the dots". Peace may not lie in the hands of Israel and the US, no matter what they do.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (100561)	6/7/2003 12:42:07 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Killer Clown-I love you moniker, by the way--you've made some very interesting points. You know,the ones [dots] that draw the connection between the radicals and their desire to quash the peace process.Until this is spelled out clearly and handled from that very perspective, both Hamas and those in Israel ( or the US ) who don’t want this to work will be allies. What about the radicals who wish for an ultimate confrontaton with Israel knowing--at least I think they know--that such a confrontation would result in yet another disastrous defeat? What kind of dot-line are they riding? The problem is the lack of rationality on the part of the Pals. Ultimate confrontations with Israel are useless and self-defeating. The intifada is painful for both sides but ultimately more so for the Pals. The question I ask myself is why do the Pals continue if they could clearly have a reasonable negotiated peace? The answer is obvious and supplied by the facts on the ground--they don't wish for a negotiated peace. This is why the concept of an imposed solution has so much merit. I'm surprised it has not been considered seriously.