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To: Bilow who wrote (100657)	6/8/2003 2:09:50 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The UN said that Iraq had WMD in 2002 and 2003 as well. They wanted to send their inspectors back in. Did you forget?

To: Bilow who wrote (100657)	6/8/2003 2:29:55 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It don't matter. That was 1998. Back when Clinton was in office. That's the problem with you folks Bilow. We obtain unexpected access to a TRULY DAMNING document that the Iraqis never meant for UNSCOM to see and you act like it's not important. Bilow.. The Iraqis declared they fired off 19,000 chemical warheads during the Iran-Iraq war over, I believe 7 different attacks. 19,000 chemical warheads were what they claimed to have expended, but their OWN internal documents, not meant for UNSCOM discovery, showed only 13,000 had been used. That leaves 6,000 warheads, or just under 1/3 (33%) of them unaccounted for. And 6,000 warheads were estimated by the UNSCOM inspectors to represent an estimated 1,000 tonnes of chemical agents. 1,000 tonnes x 2,000 pounds equals 2 million pounds of chemical agents. That's what THEIR OWN weapons "guardians" were accounting for to the Baathist regime, who obviously had a vested interest in accurately accounting for those weapons to prevent a coup attempt. There is no reason they would lie... In fact, for them to lie to their government leaders would equate to a death sentence. Now maybe YOU don't think it matters, but UNSCOM did.. And so did Hans Blix (even if good 'ol Hans seemed willing to take the Iraqis at their word that they had destroyed them, lacking physical evidence to the contrary). But Bilow.. we didn't need to obtain physical evidence of their existence. The burden of evidence was on Saddam's regime. And if his people were such poor record keepers, he had an obligation to do everything possible to create confidence in their having destroyed those weapons and chemical/biological investories. But that's NOT what Saddam did when that document was discovered. He halted ALL cooperation with UNSCOM, refused to turn that document over to UNSCOM and TOTALLY violated the cease fire and UNSC resolutions. So it does matter, whether you agree or not. 6,000 warheads is NOT a trifling amount that we can just ignore, regardless of how inconvenient it is for people like yourself. They are somewhere Bilow.. either in Iraq, or squirreled away in Syria/Lebanon (as is rumoured). But they were not destroyed.. And they would not be without the paranoid Baathist regime keeping a record of it and being assured they had not fallen into the hands of enemies of Saddam's regime. Because such powerful weapons in the hands of his rivals would have proven to be a very powerful tool of leverage for a potential rival. What's at issue is the question of who was telling the truth in 2003, not in 1998 Sorry.. no cookie. The information of 1998, before ALL inspections were terminated, is ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT since NO inspections transpired from that time until December, 2002. That's five years of not knowing the disposition of those weapons. No inspections.. No accountabilty.. And Saddam continuing to prefer sanctions over compliance with UNSC resolutions. And within those five years, we saw a concerted effort by nations like France to have the sanctions lifted without forcing Saddam to comply with inspection requirements. Now maybe you find forcing Saddam to comply inconvenient, or perhaps just unjustified. But you're not on the UNSC. (thank goodness). Anyone else think that's "unimportant"? Hawk

To: Bilow who wrote (100657)	6/8/2003 10:02:30 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Have a bad morning - unless of course.these two people have no proof whatsoever and are merely lying again so they will be kicked out of Government in disgrace It is possible ,.of course, (tho remotely) that they are just plain stupid and do not have have your high level connections or inside information on which you base your own contentions.. : POWELL: MOBILE LABS FOUND IN IRAQ ARE BIOLOGICAL POWELL: REMAINS CERTAIN IRAQ HAS WMDS CONDOLEEZZA RICE: U.S. WILL FIND WMD'S IN IRAQ Sig