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To: KonKilo who wrote (101359)	6/13/2003 12:00:45 AM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

The fact is that the administration and its advocates are now doing everything they can to run away from a year's worth of arguments about the imminent threat posed by Saddam Hussein. Quoting one of their patron saints, conservatives are often fond of saying that 'ideas have consequences.' Lies do too. Yeah, the main consequence around here is you get a bunch of hotheads so impressed with their own "logic" that they'll make up any number of stories , all equally devoid of any evidentiary basis, "proving" that the administration propaganda campaign just had to be right. It's a joke, son. Think of it as a warm-up for the stories Karl Rove is cooking up for next year.

To: KonKilo who wrote (101359)	6/13/2003 8:29:03 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<You pull together every piece of evidence you can find -- good, bad, flimsy, obviously bogus, uncertain, it doesn't matter, just throw it all in -- and you make the best case you can with what you have. You put in everything that helps your case and forget about everything that hurts it. And the case was that there was an imminent threat that required war against Iraq. I repeat, imminent.> What's scary here, is that Americans, mostly, seem to be forgiving the Administration for the lie, while the rest of the world, overwhelmingly, is not. Which means our isolation, the dissonance between Us and Them, just gets worse. And it was bad enough, already. Any further Regime Change attempted, using any method, anywhere, will now face the united opposition of the entire world. We are totally alone, and it's our own fault. Even the UK and Australia won't be on board. The siege mentality in the U.S. is deapening, the Israelization of America, to go along with the Palestinization of much of the Moslem world. The U.S. waged war on a nation that had never attacked us, that did not have the capability of threatening us. Using the standards of the Geneva Conventions, and the Nurenburg Trials, this was a war of aggression, a war crime. It shouldn't end with General Franks, he was not the ultimate decision-maker. Justice would be served, by removing Bush from office, and handing him over for trial by the ICC. Bush should be sentenced to community service, alongside Saddam, unearthing the dead in the mass graves of Iraq. And, when they get through with that, the two of them, chained together in leg irons, can pick up all the depleted uranium, and unexploded cluster bombs. And, if they ever get finished with that, they can spend the rest of their lives attending to the maimed and disabled of Iraq, changing bed pans, etc. That would be justice. I am ashamed of my country, that almost nobody wants justice done.