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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101511)	6/14/2003 12:25:57 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "That's because there was no such thing as a Palestinian." Humans naturally form groups. Different groups of humans name themselves one thing or another for various reasons. Your failure to recognize them as a group is an indication of your blindness, not the fact that they are not a "thing". And why don't you have Nadine follow through on your logic. If there are no Palestinians, then Israel must not be occupying their land. And that means that Israel consists of all the land, both Israel and the occupied territories. And that means that "one man one vote" turns the Jewish Republic of Israel into the Islamic Republic of Palestine, LOL. Re: "They are a mish-mash of various occupants who just happened to have settled in a geographic area." Kind of like how a mish-mash of different people all came to be living in the region of North America between Canada and Mexico, LOL? Re: "But I hardly see how substituting one form of foreign "tyranny" for a domestic one, such as Arafat's, will fulfill that desire for freedom." It's not for you to see. The Palestinians should make their own mistakes about what "freedom" really means on their own. It shouldn't be up to US blood to force people who don't want to be "free" to be "free". It just isn't your business, so stay out of it. Or at the very least don't whine like a pussy when they destroy our buildings because of your desire to make them free by bombing the crap out of them. Re: " But for others, such as fundamentalist Muslims, their ultimate freedom is slavery to Allah. They care nothing for democracy, or political accountability. They will listen to those religious leaders they perceive best represent their particular level of militant intensity and seek to force the rest of the world to submit." Given your intense paranoia about Moslems, one has to ask why the hell you think the Iraqi occupation isn't going to be bloody, LOL. Choose one or the other for. Either the Iraqis are religion-maddened fanatics who will do anything to achieve martyrdom, or they're cheese eating surrender monkeys, depending on which is useful for your argument, LOL. -- Carl