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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (20477)	6/15/2003 11:19:41 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 89467

Cheney lied:1) On Aug. 26, 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney stated: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.... What he wants is time, and more time to husband his resources to invest in his ongoing chemical and biological weapons program, and to gain possession of nuclear weapons."

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (20477)	6/15/2003 11:21:57 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 89467

Cheney lied again: (6) On March 16, 2003, in an appearance on NBC's Meet The Press, the vice president stated: "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. El Baradei frankly is wrong." Yeah, right....as in rightwing planned attack to steal oil rights from rightful owners.

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (20477)	6/16/2003 2:55:31 AM
From: surfbaron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Karen: old! did his dog eat Sadam and Osama too?

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (20477)	6/16/2003 7:16:48 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

The Ten Planks of the “Freedom” Manifesto by Jacob G. Hornberger, June 13, 2003 Now, tell me if I have this right: It doesn’t really matter whether President Bush and his associates lied about Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction” or exaggerated the danger — even though the reason that most Americans supported the war was the threat of imminent attack from such weapons — because the war on Iraq has brought “freedom” to the Iraqi people. Three months after the invasion, which killed or maimed thousands of innocent people, including more than 100 American GIs, here’s the “freedom” that Iraqis are now celebrating: 11. The Iraqi people are now living under direct military rule, with foreign military commanders ruling by decree. 12. Democratic elections are prohibited, and political rulers are being selected by military commanders. 13. Iraqi citizens are being required to turn in their weapons to the military authorities. 14. There is a mandatory 11 p.m. curfew, enforced by soldiers. 15. There are warrantless searches of homes and warrantless seizures of criminal suspects; these are conducted not by the police but by army troops. 16. Occupation troops are killing demonstrators and suspected criminals without a trial or due process of law. 17. The military authorities are continuing Saddam Hussein’s system of government-run schools for the nation’s children, albeit with new forms of official indoctrination. 18. The military authorities are continuing Saddam Hussein’s system of monetary central planning, even to the extent of inflating the currency by printing quantities of Iraqi money with Saddam’s photo on it. 19. There is military censorship and regulation of the media and a ban on anti-military speech and activity. 10. The military commanders are continuing Saddam Hussein’s and his Ba’ath Party’s socialist policies of public ownership of the means of production, central planning of economic activity, and welfare. (Did I also mention that widespread looting continues across the country, which, according to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, is also a part of Iraq’s new “freedom,” albeit an “untidy” part?) Wow! So all this is “freedom”? Please, remind me again — what exactly is tyranny? And would someone mind telling me how “freedom” in Iraq is different, in principle, from political conditions, say, in Burma? Of course, it’s not surprising that Washington officials would consider omnipotent power over people’s lives and fortunes, albeit in a more benign form than other military dictatorships, to constitute “freedom.” But what’s disquieting about all this is that so many Americans, after having been frightened into supporting the president’s invasion of Iraq on the basis of his deceptive claims about Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction,” are now blindly believing his claim that the Iraqi people are free. Even more disquieting, however, is the possibility that, under the right circumstances (such as a big terrorist attack in the United States arising out of the war on Iraq), our “freedom”-loving fellow citizens might eagerly embrace efforts by the president and Pentagon to “free” us. Mr. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.