To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (18567 ) 6/20/2003 2:41:59 AM From: jttmab Respond to of 21614 Actually, the point of that section didn't escape me, but apparently it did you. Unless you can come up with male wives or females husbands, your argument falls. You wouldn't have made that comment, or previous post, if you understood the original point. The original point is beyone your grasp. Since you're so into the precision of words and definitions...what is an argument that "falls". I've never heard of a falling argument. Plus the argument isn't wholly dependent on each and every point. If there was a flaw in one point, it doesn't follow that the argument falls. The accepted practice in defintion usage is that the first definition listed is the primary defintion. You might also note that the State of Hawaii, recognizes same sex marriages as legal unions. They seem to be able to get beyond any limitations that you might construe in a dictionary. Perhaps you should consider e-mailing their attorney general with a definition of marriage from some dictionary of your choice. You might be interested in knowing that New York City recogizes same sex marriages that occur in other places as "domestic partnerships". I suspect they used the term domestic partnerships so people like you couldn't figure out what was going on. You can find domestic in the dictionary, and partnership in the dictionary, but you would be stuck when it comes to putting the two words together. I digress. Since NYC recoginizes "domestic partnerships" then any surviving partner [9/11]of a domestic partnership is entitled to entitled to benefits as any surviving spouse would be. How about dealing with the question...if a person undergoes a sex change operation [e.g., male to female] who can that person legally marry? I suppose the key question is does a sex change operation change the legal gender of a person? or...here's an easy one.....If there is a same sex marriage in Hawaii and one spouse dies, is the surviving partner entitled to SS benefits?...then there is the variation of suppose one partner has a sex change operation after the marriage in Hawaii, would the surviving spouse be entitled to SS benefits. Please note that these questions assume that you have the capacity to answer them. I'm sure you won't disappoint me. jttmab