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Politics : Support the French! Viva Democracy! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (1282)	6/19/2003 7:05:22 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7841

You probably can't speak another language to save your life, right? :-) ? Was sagen Sie? Ich können Sie nicht verstehen. Or would you prefer that in Spanish? What is so strange about THAT? Beats me. Maybe you will be so kind as to ask that question of the many thousands of persons of Hispanic origins along the US-Mexico border who were born here but never learn English. Of course, their parents don't speak it either. And pray tell how learning a language makes "national origins irrelevant by the second generation"??? Taht you will have to take up with the French. Apparently they believe otherwise. Because her ancestors were tortured and used as slaves by your ancestors? Which were picked up in Africa by your European ancestors and brought to these shores in European ships. The importation of slaves into the US was illegal after 1808, remember? (Check the US constitution.) The US gov't did not exist until 1789. And the states that made up the United States were not independent until 1783. So it is fair to believe most of those slaves came in European ships. Feel better now? Kinda reminds of a little discussion I had with a Swiss kid who was knocking the US about the Vietnam War. I was so unkind as to point out his nation was selling bullets to the Nazis right up until about 5 minutes before the surrender.

To: zonder who wrote (1282)	6/19/2003 7:51:36 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 7841

:-) Best person for the job should get it- although universities, imo, have the right to consider their desire for a diverse population. It would be nice, though, if we could make very sure that the best person for the job, really is the best person- we see how prejudiced people can be, in all walks of life. Conservatives preferring conservatives, liberals preferring liberals, certain religious groups preferring to hire their own kind, if possible, and I am sure many racial preferences exist among ALL races- I do not trust people to overcome their prejudices when they are renting, or hiring, or giving out other benefits. It simply seems impossible for many people to see merit in people whom they hate for general reasons, which are not related to the person in front of them, and their is plenty of that kind of hate everywhere, But I'm not sure you can legally stop the prejudice in people's hearts, nor all the results that flow from it. It may just be an evil that will always be with us. I've always said that universal public education in the US should be the common denominator between all our students. I think everyone in this country needs to learn certain things, so that we have some basis to keep us together- that's one reason I don't want to see public education fragmented. I would like to know that children in every corner of the US learn certain things, about our history, about our language, about science, and about our US culture. Of course as a free country we must let people opt out of the system if they want to, but we certainly shouldn't encourage it.