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To: marcos who wrote (103387)	6/29/2003 10:32:15 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Talking about old wounds in Cuba is interesting but it doesn't solve the problems of the present day any more than picking old scabs solves Israel/Palestine. I'll willingly concede that the natural tendency of capitalists is to work long and hard, and to expect everybody who works for them to do the same, or more, under the worst conditions they can get away with. Not that they want the employees to have crappy working conditions, but because fixing up the place wastes money. When capitalists employ skilled labor, the laborers have enough leverage to insist on better working conditions or else they'll go elsewhere, assuming there is an elsewhere. Capitalists who employ strong backs and weak minds have pretty much zero incentive to make working conditions better as long as there is an endless supply of laborers. Are the laborers in Cuba better off under Castro than under Batista? Maybe so, I don't know. You tell me. They don't have any rich bosses anymore, just party bosses who live better than they do, but not rich, except for Castro and his cronies. Not just compared to 1960, because times have changed for everyone. Are they better off than the people who live in Puerto Rica, Miami, Santo Domingo, the other islands in the area? Haiti is a special case, they don't seem to be able to get things right, ever. But why does Castro have to imprison, torture and kill everybody who disagrees with him? If Communism and Socialism are so wonderful, why do they have to kill people who disagree? BTW, I was in boarding school with Batistas' daughter and the daughter of the one before Batista, they were best friends. Both stupid, cowlike spoiled Latinas with too much money and typical flashy rich Latina taste.

To: marcos who wrote (103387)	6/29/2003 11:05:26 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You know what enmienda Platt was really about? - it was about keeping niggers from running their own lives anywhere in the Big Stick area .... rather blatantly presented as such in US congress, too, you should read some of the speeches ... i forget where they are listed, but here is a piece that shows general attitude - I wonder what kinds of racist remarks were written by previous Canadian leaders with regard to your own Inuit population?? As for the lease, so far as I'm concerned the contract is legal until renegotiated. If neither Castro, nor the US wish to renegotiate, then so be it.. After all, Castro isn't about to restore all the US and Cuban owned private property he "liberated" during his revolution in 1961.. It's amazing how folks want to digress to the specific when they can't justify their position regarding the general.. I could care less what leaders 100 years ago did or said. What I care about is whether we all want to see political and economic liberalization in Cuba (and everywhere else). Do we want an economic and political system that is accountable to the desires and needs of the people being governed, or do we want a system that tells people what's good for them... A corrupt government of "do as I say, not as I do" where the political elite divert national resources for their own benefit while keeping their rivals economically and politically impotent.. Which do you prefer marcos?? And then instead of constantly reciting a list of past "wrongs", propose instead a list of future "rights".. And then we have to ask how we achieve that... Hawk