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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (104621)	7/10/2003 9:27:30 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

That's it? Rounding up suspected terrorists is the worst example of Bush's tyranny that you can find? I would have thought from the way you talk that the secret police were even now rounding up Administration critics by the thousand. And who says that all these people (who, with the exception of Padilla, are not citizens) were merely members of profiled groups or in the wrong place in the wrong time? They do? Do you think that they might be members of Al Qaeda? Now, I'm not happy with all that the Administration has done in this respect, and I definitely think they should need a court order before holding someone. But rounding up members of an enemy army is not the same as arresting burglars; there are legitimate security tradeoffs involved. You speak as if Al Qaeda was an imaginary threat.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (104621)	7/11/2003 6:52:04 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Continuing the pattern of official contempt for the presumption of innocence, Mr Fleisher referred to the uncharged, untried, unrepresented Guantánamo detainees as "terrorists" and "very dangerous people". > Like the 70 year old retired British civil engineer held in South Africa at the request of some FBI guy in the USA who made a mistake in identity. Fortunately, that guy, being obviously a 'normal' guy was found to be incorrectly held after 3 weeks in a bleak South African prison. I say sue the bastards. Governments should be liable for damages when they blunder and communities should pay compensation to those they maltreat. The essential protection is cold, bright, light of day in a rational courtroom with lawyers and presumption of innocence. There are centuries of proof that freedom requires nothing less. Saddam did the military thing. So did Stalin = a fair trial and then a fair hanging. We the Free expect a bit more than that. Mqurice