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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (22041)	7/13/2003 2:44:42 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

karen carealike- i'm not all that worked up over the uranium claim. it's only one very small instance of propaganda that the administration has flooded us with since day one. there are hundreds of statements and actions that have been perpetrated by this gang that have been spun and twisted solely to deceive us and the world in furtherance of an agenda to dominate the world and secure wealth and power in the name of a certain set of right wing christian "morals" that are as far removed from the teachings of jesus christ as they are from the ideals set forth in the constitution and the bill of rights of the united states of america. if you want to gauge the truth and honesty of a person or a group you have only to watch their actions and deeds and compare them to their words. if the deeds don't match the words - you have deception and deception equals lying. internationally, this world was becoming pretty well connected and civilized as far as working together in the development and protection of human rights and economic cooperation in a spirit of fairness, equality and interdependence. the maniacal murders committed on septemper 11, 2001 were an atrocity planned and carried out by a handful of fanatics against the civilized world - the WORLD TRADE CENTER was the main target and people from over 80 countries were killed. the entire world was in shock and grief and felt the sense of loss. there was a global outpouring of empathy and support for the united states and a widespread desire to apprehend and bring responsible parties to trial in an international court. this was a tremendous opportunity for all countries to work together for justice in a lawful manner thereby solidfying and growing a stronger bond of trust between all peoples of the world. the first thing this administration did was declare WAR on terrorists - what a crock. you don't declare war on individual fanatics, you arrest them and bring them to trial. you abide by law. because if you don't you undermine law and render it useless. WAR is just a tool for the lawless - it legalizes murder without due process, without examined evidence, without jury, without judge, without legal representation. anyone who supports war, supports lawless murder - that is a simple fact. i do believe in the growth of human civilization. if you recall the state of affairs on the north american continent two and three hundred years ago - it was a lawless land and there were wars here among different peoples and groups. through a long process of living and working together in an environment of interdependence, agreements and laws replaced war as a solution to dealing with differences and crimes like theft and murder. can you imagine an internal war in the united states anymore? not likely. not even with a catalyst like the oklahoma city bombing - it would be crazy. with the advances in communications, air travel, international trade, coalitions like nato, nafta, the wto and the united nations, we are growing into a planet of one human family who will eventually live under an international set of laws and justice. it will happen - there is no doubt in my mind. it can happen sooner if we welcome it and begin to work together to develop international connectivity and cooperation. or it can happen later if we continue with separate agendas, international distrust and use weapons outside the rule of law in efforts to dominate and force other countries to submit to domination through power... if you look at history you will see that this tactic has ALWAYS failed - it only inspires and promotes a revolt of the oppressed. either way, humanity has a more civil and just future ahead. do we want it sooner through cooperation, and a cooperative international legal system or do we want it later through war, failure, and revolt? i'm in favor of the former. it is perfectly clear that the current administration is leading us on the path of the latter. i've seen it since day one (which was somewhere around the middle of january of 2001). we didn't vote for that kind of path... we were decived. some of the lies were merely lies of omission (not openly sharing the real agenda). some of the lies were outright pretensions and false representations of an already accepted american agenda that they had no intention of following. they were manipulating minds to gain votes, support and power to further another, less popular agenda. i was unaware of the PNAC until i was first informed of it here on this messageboard by lurqer. when i read their published strategy of dominating the world and taking control while we have no equal as a superpower... and when i saw the list of the men who wrote and supported this doctrine... then it was easy for me to see how that agenda aligned perfectly with the actions of the bush administration. i no longer was flabbergasted and confused at how completely different their public words were from their actions. PNAC is an acronym for "The Project for a New American Century". they used to have a website where they proudly displayed their members, their strategies and their beliefs at newamericancentury.org if you try to visit it now you'll find nothing. i don't know if their server is having problems or if they've taken it down in an attempt to cover up a policy that only a neo-conservative american could support. there was a .pdf file entitled "REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES -- Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century on the website. i saved it on my hard drive and i suspect that others have it posted on their websites. <pauses to do a google search for the document> i found many sites that talk about the document, quote the document, and deride the document but they almost all link to the above, original website which seems to be gone... i don't really want to post a link to a leftist site opining about it because it's better to read the actual document as written by the PNAC with an open mind and form your own opinions. <does more google searching> ...i finally found one that has the entire text of the document with very little other comment on it... scroll down past the first six paragraphs to read it: cryptome.sabotage.org the statement about the uranium is moot for me because i'd never buy that as a reason to declare WAR. i'd fight to STOP a war but i'd never START a war. -polvo