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To: miraje who wrote (426287)7/13/2003 1:48:26 PM
From: Neeka  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
OHhhhhhhhhh NO!

I'm sure Kenneth will find republicans responsible for that in some way or another.

There hasn't been any equal representations since the 70s in this state. It is obviously a west coast phenomenon if you take Calif and Or. into consideration too. The socialist/marxist/wacko nut cases took over years ago.

M



To: miraje who wrote (426287)7/13/2003 1:51:21 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
here in the great state of Washington, we have had Democratic Governors for the past 20 years

Does that have anything to do with the fact that Washington has the second highest unemployment rate of any state in the U.S.?


We hadn't had a recession in over 20 years prior to the current one. And unlike other states, our state legislature is eliminating our budget deficit with very little increase in taxes. The Bush administration needs to take a page from our book............you don't keep spending like there's no tomorrow when you are running deficits.

BTW how is he to pay for all the AIDS monies he's recently offered Africa? Please explain that fiscal mess to me!! Mr. Bush likes to spend, spend, spend because it makes him look like the good guy. Weak ego, expensive habits!

Stupid is as stupid does!



To: miraje who wrote (426287)7/13/2003 2:01:13 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
<font color=blue>Here's one of your conservative brethren in play here in my home state. Please note his duplicity and mendacity with which we have grown all too familiar when it comes to conservatives..........like a very bad, unending NIGHTMARE! Please also note Mr. Eyeman's love of spin! His teacher would have to be the Bush administration, don't you think? <font color=black>

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Tuesday, July 8, 2003

'Help Us' with cash, Eyman asks
He acknowledges 'taxpayers' committee is for compensation

By NEIL MODIE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Four days after his latest anti-tax initiative failed to qualify for the fall ballot, Tim Eyman yesterday abandoned his promise not to ask supporters to pay him unless it did qualify.

In an e-mail to supporters and news media, the initiative promoter and his two co-sponsors, Jack and Mike Fagan of Spokane, said the reason too few voters signed Initiative 807 by last Thursday's deadline was the trio's success at preventing the Legislature from raising taxes. His apparent rationale was that the voters therefore saw no need for it.

Given that, and despite their promise to ask to be paid only if I-807 made the November ballot, "we hope our supporters understand our decision to seek compensation anyway," said Eyman, whose e-mails often excoriate politicians for breaking promises and seeking more money from taxpayers.

"We simply can't afford to contribute our time, effort and expertise to these critical battles without being compensated for it," Eyman wrote.

Christian Sinderman, a Seattle political consultant and Eyman's most persistent critic, said: "He's the state's highest-profile panhandler ... Anyone who is truly successful isn't out making excuses and begging for money, and that's what he's doing."

<font color=red>With the failure of both I-807 -- which would have required a two-thirds vote of the Legislature to raise state taxes or fees -- and an earlier Eyman initiative petition, the general election ballot will the first in six years without an initiative sponsored by the Mukilteo wristwatch salesman.<font color=black>

Eyman's e-mail sought to put his spin on his and the Fagans' creation of a new political committee, Help Us Help Taxpayers, after the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported Friday that they set it up with the apparent aim of paying themselves from supporters' donations.

"It is a compensation fund for myself and Jack & Mike Fagan," Eyman acknowledged. He said the three will seek supporters' donations to the fund in requests that "will occur regularly and will continue until the end of December." Then the three will divide the money among themselves.

The fund is separate from Eyman's campaign committee for his new initiative, which would reduce the state property tax by 25 percent.



Doug Ellis, a spokesman for the state Public Disclosure Commission, said the new political committee is legal, but "it's just the first time we've seen one expressly set up just to pay compensation, if that's what it is. We haven't seen any reports on it except for the registration."

When they launched the I-807 campaign, Eyman and the Fagans promised to take no compensation until and unless the initiative qualified for the ballot because "the top priority must be to use every dollar donated to get the necessary signatures for I-807."

Sinderman suggested that by going back on their promise, Eyman and his associates will be competing with their own initiative campaign for their supporters' money.

"He's slowly bankrupting his organization by enriching himself," the consultant said.


Eyman and the Fagans didn't return phone calls seeking comment.

The three registered Help Us Help Taxpayers with the state June 27, but they didn't admit until yesterday that they created it to pay themselves from supporters' donations.

It is the latest of several Eyman financial machinations designed to profit from support for his tax-limiting initiative campaigns.

The Public Disclosure Commission is investigating an e-mail Eyman sent supporters in May, asking them for checks made out to "Tim Eyman, Taxpayer Advocate." He promised contributors they wouldn't be identified because the donations were "not political donations but are for a legal-defense fund."

He asked for the donations after campaign money and signatures for I-807 had slowed dramatically from his previous years' efforts.

Last year he was accused in a lawsuit by the state attorney general of shifting $233,000 in campaign contributions into his own for-profit corporation. He was fined $50,000 and barred from ever being a campaign treasurer, but he never repaid contributors for the money he diverted.

Sinderman said Eyman's latest request for donations "continues a pattern we have seen for over a year -- a greater concern with personal fund raising than actually running successful initiative campaigns. It also explains why his overall donations are down -- no one wants to send money to an organization that doesn't do anything."


<font color=red>Monte Benham, a former co-sponsor of Eyman's initiatives who had a falling out with Eyman, said he was never in the anti-tax crusade to profit from it. "Never expected any, never asked for money, never wanted any."<font color=black>

Eyman said his supporters will understand why he made his latest request for money, "so the only people howling will be opponents who don't support our ideas anyway."

P-I reporter Neil Modie can be reached at 206-448-8321 or neilmodie@seattlepi.com



To: miraje who wrote (426287)7/13/2003 3:32:51 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 769670
 
Analysis: Anatomy of a Quack-Mire
by Jim Lobe

How could such smart people get so much wrong?

”I really do believe we will be greeted as liberators,” U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney declared
on television just as U.S. troops were massing along the border between Kuwait and Iraq on
the eve of Washington's march to Baghdad.

”Wildly off the mark,” declared Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, when asked by
senators just before the war whether he agreed with then-Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki's
estimate that more than 200,000 troops would be needed as an occupation force after the war.

”I believe it is definitely more likely than not that some degree of common knowledge between
(al Qaeda and Iraq) was involved” in the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and the Pentagon,
former Central Intelligence Agency chief and Defense Policy Board member James Woolsey
testified before a federal court just before the war.

”We know where they are,” Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld assured television viewers about
the location of Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD) at the end of March, two
weeks into the war. ”They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad, and east, west, south
and north somewhat.”

”The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant
quantities of uranium from Africa,” declared President George W. Bush in his late-January
State of the Union address.

”We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons and we know that he has a
longstanding relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization,”
asserted Cheney on the war's eve.

Now, three months after U.S. troops consolidated control over Iraq, not only has the White
House admitted that neither it nor the British ever had solid--as opposed to obviously
forged--evidence that Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa; no WMD have been
discovered; the notion of ties between Iraq and al Qaeda has been officially dismissed by a
special U.N. panel; and public sentiment in Iraq--at least as registered by even the compliant
U.S. press--appears ever more doubtful about its ”liberation,” to say the least.

That last observation is bolstered by the fact the administration is engaged in a major debate
over whether significantly more troops than the 145,000 U.S. troops in Iraq now are needed to
secure the country. Washington has asked no less than 70 countries to contribute troops or
police--at mostly U.S. taxpayers' expense--to an occupation that is increasingly open-ended.

Meanwhile, U.S. lawmakers, including growing numbers of Republicans, have become
distinctly uneasy about the situation in Iraq, as the gap between the confident predictions
made at the start of the war by top U.S. officials and the grim reality of the actual situation--in
which U.S. allied and soldiers are facing an average of 13 violent attacks each day--appears to
be moving toward guerrilla warfare.

”The problem here is that Americans are unsure about the future of our involvement in Iraq,”
Republican Sen. John McCain, an Iraq hawk before the war, gently told an increasingly
defensive Rumsfeld at a hearing Wednesday as Democrats called openly for the
administration to swallow its pride and ask NATO, if not the U.N., to take over. ”So what you
need to do, in my view, is give...a concrete plan as much as you can.”

The 'Q' word--for quagmire--not to mention the 'V' word, for Vietnam--is back in mainstream
discourse as each day appears to bring the killing of at least one more U.S. or British soldier,
and U.S. troops and officers in Iraq tell television cameras that they are stretched far too thinly
to impose order on a country the size of California with a population that grows less and less
appreciative of their presence, and appears to be harboring people who actually want them
dead.

”The Army is getting bogged down in a morale-numbing 4th Generation War in Iraq that is now
taking on some appearances of the Palestinian Intifada,” according to a comment late last
month on an all-military website, while even some conventional media have suggested that Iraq
could turn into a U.S. Chechnya.

”Some frustrated troops stationed in Iraq are writing letters to representatives in Congress to
request their units be repatriated,” the Christian Science Monitor reported this week. The
Monitor quoted from one letter by an Army soldier: ”Most soldiers would empty their bank
accounts just for a plane ticket home.” An officer from the same Division: ”Make no mistake,
the level of morale for most soldiers that I've seen has hit rock bottom.”

U.S. Middle East experts, particularly former diplomats and intelligence officers and academic
analysts, had long warned that defeating Iraq militarily would be the easy part. The key
question was, what about the morning after? These were the same specialists who also
questioned the administration's assertions about Iraq's links to al Qaeda, its reconstitution of a
nuclear program, and the more extravagant claims about the quantity of chemical and
biological weapons it had at its disposal.

But their views were systematically ignored, even in Congress where most Democrats, eager
not to be seen as ”soft” on Saddam post-9/11, were reluctant to be seen as calling into
question the words of a popular president.

Just as evidence--such as the CIA's conclusion that the ”British” reports about Iraqi uranium
purposes were forged--was diverted or deep-sixed before it could affect policy-making, so it is
clear that those who actually knew something about the Middle East were excluded from
policy-making circles.

”It is fairly incredible that the civilians in the Pentagon inhaled their own propaganda about the
welcome that U.S. forces would receive from the Iraqis,” said retired ambassador Chas
Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a group of former U.S. officials and
analysts who specialize in the region. ”No one who knew anything about the region ever
bought the notion that U.S. troops would be welcomed as liberators, but no one who knew
anything about the region was invited to take part in policy discussions.”

The result, however, is that the ideologues, particularly those clustered around Cheney and
Rumsfeld, simply reinforced each other's assumptions and attacked everyone, including the
real experts, who disagreed with them.

The professionals were seen by the hawks as apologists for Arab dictators, Israel-haters,
Saudi-lovers, shills for Big Oil, intellectually incurious, and slaves to traditional thinking. As
Rumsfeld once complained about U.S. intelligence, ”We tend to hear what we expect to hear,
whether it's bad or good. Human nature is that way. Unless something is jarring, you tend to
stay on your track and get it reinforced rather than recalibrated.”

So certain was Rumsfeld that the professionals were wrong, that he set up his own shop to
”recalibrate” the intelligence, staffing it with people hand-picked by and ideologically
compatible with Wolfowitz. At the same time, Cheney and his deputy, I. Scooter Libby, made
frequent visits to CIA headquarters in what was taken as an effort to intimidate the analysts
(and presumably CIA director George Tenet). It never occurred to the hawks, of course, that
they might be as susceptible to human nature's failings as the professionals.

When the professionals argued in the administration's inner councils that U.S. troops would
face as much apprehension and hostility as gratitude from key sectors of the Iraqi population,
the hawks replied that they underestimated the attraction and political skills of a man like
Ahmed Chalabi, the head of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress (INC), who told
them of his far-reaching secret network of informants and supporters inside Iraq.

Indeed, it was ”defectors” who were ”recruited” by the INC who provided the information that
made the ideologues so confident about the existence of WMD, the ties between Baghdad
and al Qaeda, and the rapturous greeting U.S. soldiers would get in Baghdad and on the way
there.

”Why was the Pentagon so unprepared for the Day After?” asked Trudy Rubin, foreign affairs
analyst for The Philadelphia Inquirer. ”Back in November,” she wrote last week, ”Wolfowitz told
me he believed that the London-based Iraqi opposition (headed by Ahmed Chalabi) would
return to Baghdad and assume the reins of power, just as Gen. Charles de Gaulle and the
Free French returned triumphantly to postwar France.”

The hawks thus saw westernized Chalabi, who had not been in Baghdad since he was a
teenager, as the man of destiny whom U.S. military forces had merely to install in the capital.
The professionals, who had worked with him in the early 1990s, on the other hand, saw him as
a confidence man.

”What he did was pander to the dreams of a group of powerful men, centered in the Pentagon,
the Defense Policy Board, the vice president's office, and various think tanks scattered around
Washington,” according to Thomas Engelhardt, a New York writer who produces a daily web
log on the war.

”The thing that needs to be grasped here is that since 1991 these men have been dreaming up
a storm about reconfiguring the Middle East, while scaling the heavens (via various Star Wars
programs for the militarization of space), and so nailing down an American earth for eternity.
Their dreams were utopian and so, by definition, unrealizable. Theirs were lava dreams, and
they were dreamt, like all such burning dreams, without much reference to the world out there.
They were perfect pickings for a Chalabi.”

Of course, the fact that Chalabi is now scarcely mentioned as a possible political force in Iraq
is barely acknowledged by the hawks who still insist, albeit with less conviction, that things
are going their way and that there is no reason to panic.

Copyright 2003 Inter Press Service
CC



To: miraje who wrote (426287)7/13/2003 3:41:30 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 769670
 
the types of things that Bush doesn't give a crap about....seeing his recent appointment we discussed....
Property rights are NOT written in stone when influencing others....
Thanks for posting that article. I'm not even slightly surprised to read about the "Bad Science"
employed in so-called "proving" that various substances are *supposedly harmless* to humans.

Unfortunately, I live directly across the highway from land used for nursery sod production. I've been
living here for 26 years now. The sod company bought the land across the road from my farm about 15
years ago. Over the past 15 years, we've had 4 dogs die from cancer -- two of them within 60 days of
each other from a very aggressive form of lympho-sarcoma. The veterinary oncologist who worked
with us said she had never seen anything so weird as having 2 dogs in the same household die of the
same form of such an aggressive cancer in her whole time in practice. We've also had a year when of
about 30 goat kids born, we had 2 born with no eyes, one with its intestines on the outside of its body
and one eye near its ear and the other down near the end of its muzzle. A friend who brought their goat
over for breeding had a set of siamese twins sired by one of our bucks the same spring. My own goats
were out of several sires from 2 different breeds, so definitely nothing to do with genetics and probably
everything to do with the spraying.

When they spray herbicide across the road, I don't even have to bother looking to know that that's what
they are doing. If I'm working in my yard, my face starts to freeze exactly as though I had just had 2 or 3
shots of freezing at the dentist's office and my face starts to get distorted in just the same way. Some
people have told me that it's probably not the herbicide, but the solvents used to create the herbicidal
suspension. Well, truth is, what difference does that make. Apparently, these manufacturers only need
to license the herbicide and not the solvents, so who knows what in *hell* kind of junk is in these
products. All I know is, if a person's face starts to become "frozen" after less than a minute of exposure
to a substance, that's some kind of nervous system reaction, and that's definitely NOT a safe thing.

We should have moved away long ago. Sorry to say that we've stayed because we were here first,
built our house and barns, put in gardens, fences, planted a few thousand trees, and yet there's not a
damned thing one can do to defend themselves from this kind of environmental assault except to move
away to a new place and hope that you won't be going from the frying pan into the fire. We've found an
area that we'll probably buy and build in the next year. However, who is to say what all of the years of
exposure to herbicides will do to our health long-term -- if, indeed, there is any "long term". Somehow, I
have my doubts.

Anyhow, I don't really believe for one instant that any of these pesticide companies give a shit about
what happens to the people who are subjected to the sprays -- not the few that they test this crap on, or
the millions who will ultimately be exposed to it once it is licensed. The whole industry is nothing but a
joke -- the companies, the licensing -- it's all just a pathetic sham for those who place money higher
than the value of life. Pretty sick.

If the genetically modified seeds and other biological substances are "safety-tested" using the same
protocols as pesticides, I expect we are in for one hell of a catastrophe in the not-so-distant future.

croc