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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (995)	7/13/2003 4:37:31 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

Here's the Zionist Earl warned you against: Message 18862980 That could lead to some nasty situations too. It's hard to believe it could be worse than the mess that has existed since 1948, though. AND it would be hard for the MEers to bitch. The Palestinians want a state; they get a state. Israel wants security; Israel gets security. Persistence in bitching would indicate bad faith. For example, the attack on the USS Liberty. That little incident is still less than clear. I see now that there is an enormous deception about many things political in the Christian Church today. It's foolish for the Evangelical Churches today to be such loyal Republican's. They are voting for their own executioners. They are? How? It often appears to me that Christian Rightists and the Republican Party are the same people. I want them out. I want my party back. The Left brought this about though. There used to be an agreement that politics and religion would be kept separate. Then the USSC issued Roe v. Wade which ignited the churches straight into politics. But also factoring in the known unreliability of most eye witnesses we don't really know. That's fair. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Videos. Still can't see the first plane clearly. The second was quite clearly a large jet. cnn.com Apparently others saw that first plane: Bystanders told me a plane had crashed into the north tower. zenaa.com On Tuesday, September 11, 2001, at 8:45am New York local time, One World Trade Center, the north tower, was hit by a hijacked 767 commercial jet airplane, loaded with fuel for a trans-continental flight. geocities.com And there were 4 flights missing at the end of the day. And 4 sets of passengers. And cellphone calls from passengers. No Arabs on Flight 77 What? You think they are going to register as "Abdul Hassan, terrorist and hijacker"? You can get a fake driver's license in San Diego easily for $20. You think they couldn't handle this? I do believe that the twin tower attack served the globalist elite very well. I think the Great Depression served the Union cause very well. I'm sure they arranged it. And no Congreeman or Senator was allowed to either read or debate anything in the Patriot Act I before it was voted on. And every congresscritter who voted for the thing should have been handed his head by the electorate. That could be used as the definition of "dereliction of duty". It was a total power play by the Bush administration. Not the first one in US history. And it does not excuse Congress for passing it. CONGRESS, not the President, passes legislation. Patriot Act II, which they want to pass, eliminates the 5 year sunset clause in Patriot Act I. PA2 seems to be DOA. And Congress could remove tbe authority behind those executive orders any time it wants. It gave the Prexy the authority; it can take it away or severely limit it. Say, what's this? * NOTE: See Public Law 94-412 (90 Stat. 1255; 50 U.S.C. 1601), which terminates, effective September 14, 1978, all powers and authorities, except those expressly cited, possessed by the President and/or other Federal officials as a result of any declaration of a national emergency in effect on September 14, 1976 archives.gov Doesn't that contradict Note: The Constituion was suspended on March 9th 1933, when President Franklin D. Roosecelt declared a state of national emergency and was granted a broad range of executive powers by congress to deal with the Great Depression under the War Powers Act of 1917. No president since then has ordered a proclamation ending the the national emergency. It still exists and the Constiution remains suspended, when national emergencies or wars are declared, allowing presidential executive powers to go unchecked. This also means that the president can declare a national emergency and order martial law at anytime! seebo.net ?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (995)	7/13/2003 5:07:47 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Sidney, Excellent post. Lots of meat in that one. <g> I find myself in complete agreement with you. BTW, here's an interesting page that I just spotted: commondreams.org Lots more interesting websites to visit. :) Ciao!

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (995)	7/13/2003 5:21:02 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

You probably don't care and the nuts who push this thread won't care because they need to have a target to hate. In fact Ray Duranged and the Duke or Earl will probably claim that a little Zionist snuck into NSA and doctored those tapes, such that 35 years later they would be mysteriously transported to a bankruptcy judge under the FOIA. So much for Israel controlling the US government. miami.com Posted on Wed, Jul. 09, 2003 Miami judge says tapes back Israeli version of Liberty attack PETER ENAV Associated Press JERUSALEM - Newly declassified transcripts back up the Israeli claim that its military attacked a U.S. spy ship during the 1967 Mideast war by mistake, a Florida judge who has been investigating the case for 16 years said Wednesday. Israel has always maintained that it thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian military supply ship when it ordered its forces to attack it on June 8, 1967, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 171. But critics charge Israel knew the ship was American. Questions about the case have long dogged U.S.-Israel relations. A. Jay Cristol, a federal bankruptcy judge in Miami, received transcripts of transmissions from two Israeli helicopter pilots, sent to check for survivors after the attack. The pilots referred to the ship as Egyptian and were surprised to discover that it was flying an American flag. The recordings, in Hebrew, were made by a U.S. spy plane hovering over the site. Cristol told The Associated Press that he received the transcripts after submitting a Freedom of Information request to the U.S. National Security Agency, which has been holding the recordings secret for 37 years. After his request was denied, Cristol filed suit in federal court and forced their release. NSA spokesman Patrick Weadon confirmed that the agency had sent Cristol the transcripts. "We provided the tapes as part of the historical record," Weadon said. "The agency takes no official position on what happened to the Liberty." Cristol, who has written a book about the case, said, "The tapes should put an end to 98 percent of the Liberty controversy. They show that both the helicopter pilots and their controller at the Hatzor air force base believed that the Israeli air force had targeted an Egyptian ship." In the NSA summary of incident, which fills in some blanks from the recordings themselves, apparently using other sources, there is direct reference to Israeli confusion over the identity of the stricken ship more than an hour after the attack. "At 1230 GMT two Israeli helicopters, 810 and 815, were dispatched to the area of the incident to check for survivors of an unidentified warship," the summary reads. The transcript of the transmissions then records the air controller telling one of the pilots, "The ship is now identified as Egyptian, you can return home now." The summary continues: "At 1312 GMT, the Israeli helicopter 815 apparently informed Hatzor on a different frequency that it had sighted an American flag on the ship." The transcript records the air controller telling the pilot, "We request that you make another pass and check once more if this is really an American flag." Cristol provided the NSA summary and the full transcripts of the pilot and tower recordings to the AP. Israel has long maintained that the attack on the Liberty was the result of a tragic mistake during the heat of battle. Israel was at war with Egypt, Syria and Jordan at the time. An Israeli commission of inquiry concluded that the Israeli air force believed that the targeted ship was an Egyptian cargo vessel ferrying supplies to Egyptian troops fighting Israeli forces. However, some of the Liberty's survivors and some officials in the U.S. defense establishment have rejected this view, contending that Israel deliberately targeted the ship to keep the United States from learning that Israel was planning to attack Syria as part of its strategy during the war. "Body of Secrets," a 2001 book by best-selling author James Bamford, claimed that Israel struck the Liberty because it suspected the ship had monitored evidence of Israeli army atrocities against Palestinian prisoners. Israel has denied the charges. The Israeli daily Haaretz, which first reported the disclosures in its Wednesday edition, quoted Cristol as saying that the tape transcripts were the last classified intelligence about the Liberty.