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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (105807)	7/16/2003 4:58:51 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Unless you expect me to find that George Washington sailed to England and, once there, murdered three thousand English children on their way to school, then vanished into the hills of West Virginia to avoid the authorities, I really can't see the point.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (105807)	7/16/2003 7:01:41 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Not much comparison between those two, bin Laden has to date far fewer victims than George Washington .... somewhat less than one third of population in the thirteen colonies supported the proposed new regime in the 1770s, somewhat more than one third wished to remain loyal and greatly preferred an orderly system under the crown, and the remainder were quite indifferent, simply blew with the wind The bunch that emerged victorious in that struggle, and so got to write its history, did not do so using refined gentlemanly methods, they intimidated, robbed, tortured, murdered, raped, and pillaged the loyalists into submission and/or flight and/or death ..... many of the survivors were able to escape to the north, where we are now known as canadians Little has been written giving a balanced picture of that time, there is some though, one is a book called King's something, King's Ransom maybe? ... no, something else ... King's Cross? .. dunno ... here is a link from which one can find google terms like "Test Laws" and "test oath[s]" - geocities.com '... General George Washington seems to have approved mob persecution of the Tories. In 1776 General Israel Putnam, one of Washington's generals, met a procession of the Sons of Liberty parading a number of Tories on rails up and down the streets of New York and he attempted to halt this inhuman proceeding. On hearing this, Washington reprimanded General Putnam, stating that "to discourage such proceedings was to injure the cause of liberty in which they were engaged, and that nobody would attempt it but an enemy of his country." ' ... elsewhere you can find how the vaunted Jefferson recommended taking from canadians their lands, and how he fully supported the brutality of the french in chopping off heads quite indiscriminately around 1789-92 or so ... the latter in a note called the 'Adam and Eve' letter, where he says it is better to prune humanity back to one male and one female each of righteous stock, presumably he would be the one to define in this case the adjective 'righteous' You will always have to deal with the thug element in your society, Jacob ... and it's not gonna be easy ... you will have realised this by now, of course ..... but, good luck with it, eh ... cheers