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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (106813)	7/20/2003 11:34:59 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

(1) This is not a game -- the threat we made is real. The threat we face is real. Our national security is at stake. (2) The only country of much value in the talks would be China, and they show precious little interest in being involved -- and who can blame them. They want no part of our mess. They are concerned with North Korea for entirely different reasons. The axis of evil speech alienated us from the other countries in the region. It was stupid, gratuitous grandstanding -- typical Bush. North Korea is not merely contemplating building nukes -- they are assembling their arsenal as we speak. The debate over whether to talk with China et al present or not is specious and also self-indulgent. It makes no difference if they are there or not -- we made the threat. Perhaps Bush should show a little more polish and international savvy in his speeches and a little less carelessness -- many, many lives are at stake, as well as the national security of the United States of America -- I care about that.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (106813)	7/20/2003 11:54:29 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Guess there is good unilateralism and bad unilateralism. One of the things North Korea would like is an American pullout of Korea. I guess South Korea doesn't need to be a part of talks between North Korea and the US on this. And Japan doesn't need to be involved even though what happens in Korea affects Japanese security. Ditto China. The important thing is that Bush publicly used the word evil in reference to North Korea. This can be seized on by anti-Bush folks as a "threat" which caused the whole problem. Never mind that NK had been violating the 1994 agreement for at least five years before it came out and admitted it.