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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (107290)	7/23/2003 5:03:53 AM
From: Elsewhere	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Btw, where is France and Germany in this discussion? The position of the German government hasn't changed in the past months: Federal Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer issued the following statement on October 17 on reports regarding a North Korean uranium enrichment program for the construction of nuclear weapons: "The German Government is very concerned by this news. It has confronted the Pyongyang Government on repeated occasions in the past with its continued concern about possible secret nuclear activities by North Korea and urged it to build confidence in its compliance with its international obligations by exercising the greatest possible degree of openness. A uranium enrichment program for weapons purposes would represent a grave and very serious violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, as well as other international obligations entered into by North Korea. The German Government once more calls upon North Korea to meet in full and unambiguously its obligations within the context of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, the Agreed Framework concluded with the US in 1994, as well as vis-à-vis the International Atomic Energy Agency. Activities in violation of obligations must cease immediately and any prohibited material destroyed in a verifiable manner. The German Government will summon the North Korean Ambassador. It will closely coordinate further action with its partners. Our aim must be to find a peaceful solution to this situation which guarantees the stability of the Korean peninsula, as well as the full and unconditional compliance with international obligations." germany-info.org

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (107290)	7/23/2003 9:15:24 AM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The only "product" NKorea has is its military and now, the production of nukes for sale. It's really just economics and a desire to survive. The citizens who eat regularly are in the army. That's why they are there. People do what they have to do to live. (Maslow's hierarcy of Needs.) It's simplistic to think that the entire population has a desire for war/aggression/terror. THey want to eat, have some heat in the winter and have their children live. Unfortunately, they have a one-note-ding-bat-leader (I know how they feel). Diplomacy, engagement, the supportive Sunshine Policy favored by the SOuth are alternative tactics which can be played out over time which would negate a compulsion to think " War is imminent.". Continued efforts on behalf of other nations is also helpful.Bombing, war, invasion, sanctions against the general population is just dumb and very 19th Century. We are better than this. Little Kim is an annoyance painted into a corner and we supplied the paint and the brush. We might as well take the damn meeting and come up with a Hearts and Mind Strategy that we can implement right away. We'll need one anyway to "win the peace" afterwards.And, Heaven forbid, if the Neocon-all-War-All-the-Time-Answer for everything is chosen we will wind up feeding them and rebuilding anyway. All I am saying is: Skip the war go right to diplomacy and Peace Planning. It's the 21st Century! We're ready to begin a new Era! Rascal @allwarsendinpeaceanyway.com