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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (23442)	7/26/2003 8:36:24 PM
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I see that rather than comment on what I proposed to you (how politicians & media took their words & spun them negativele, attributed false things to them & used it against them, distorted, misrepresented & told outright lies), you simply start a new round of attacks citing the same old tired biased political & media lies & distortions that have been exposed with facts & reality as time & events have unfolded...... "The Taliban was horrid, but where was the outrage weeks before 9/11 and subseqent invasion when they tore down those statues?" President Bush took office on Jan 20th, 2001. Sadly, with the election having been contested, there had been almost no transition of power between November, 2000 & Jan 20, 2001 (normal practice with every presidential transition - it's a massive affair). Even then the animosity was so high that it took quite a few months to get people in place & offices up & running. The animosity also lead to a lack of sharing of information, etc. Feel free to check news accounts of how far behind the Bush Team was in making their transition to power & the high level of animosity. Even though the President had little time in office prior to 9/11 to take a firm stand in Afghanistan, Bush did not officially recognize the Taliban to be the legitimate government. President Bush extended sanctions against Afghanistan & worked with the UN to resolve the crises there. Diplomacy, dialog & going to the UN were being attempted with the Taliban prior to 9/11. Now it seems that was a bad thing in hindsight per your stated POV (as he noted the hypocrisy). ___________________________________________________________ "There's not even a legimate segue from "al qaeda" to Chenéy's far leap bringing Iraq into the fray. The al qaeda/Iraq connection has been successfully refuted. In fact, it's claimed, Saddam's continued support of Palestinians was his ultimate downfall. People in Iraq believe: Americans invaded for oil 43 percent; Americans invaded for Israel 46%, only 7 percent believe Americans invaded to help them." Segue, schmegue. Iraq/AlQaeda was but one part of the reason to remove Saddam & it has not been successfully refuted without distorting facts & reality. Saddam's financial support of Palestinian terrorists is well documented & the terrorist camps in Iraq cannot be ignored. Neither can terrorists actually captured in Baghdad & throughout Iraq. Rouge nations with WMD's & WMD programs were also part of the war on terrorism. Cheney's speech was spot on with that point that Iraq was also part of the war on terrorism. And your "people in Iraq believe"...... well people in the US believe all manner of distorted views thanks to corrupt democratic politicians & liberal media outlets that consistently spew lies & deceit regardless of the damage it does to America, the Presdiency & global perception of the USA. Your charge against the NIE, citing the CIA has been beaten to death & discredited with facts. And the NIE's reports have not been withdrawn or changed. I also note how when it suits, the CIA is the agency of note, but when they are a target, the CIA is part of vast conspiracies or a bumbling incompetant agency. Which is it? <font size=4> Karen, I'd go on, but again I can see that rather than objectively read the transcripts as I requested & consider how politicians & the media have lied & distorted their words & falsely put words in their mouths all for political gain, you just repeat the lies & misrepresentations that they fed you. That's the problem with most folks. They can't be objective about religion & politics even when it's obvious that hypocrisy & deceit are being fed to them on a regular basis.