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To: Solon who wrote (2207)	7/28/2003 5:21:28 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7838

Also, some comments from pope John Paul 11--again alluding to the faithful who have embraced the Masonic order: DECLARATION ON MASONIC ASSOCIATIONS Issued by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on November 26, 1983. It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code. This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories. Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion. It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 [1981] pp. 240-241). In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation. Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983. JOSEPH Card. RATZINGER Prefect + Fr. JEROME HAMER, O.P. Titular Archbishop of Lorium Secretary

To: Solon who wrote (2207)	7/28/2003 5:28:35 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7838

Now, I did not mean to imply (nor did I) that Freemasonry necessarily had a formal design on the Papacy That was exactly the allegation that Charleymane was making, to which I responded. By jumping in on his side, and not differentiating your stand from his, you seemed to be implying just that. the possibility that the desire for power and influence is not merely "ridiculous". I never said anything of the sort Granpa... I called "ridiculous" the allegation that the ultimate goal of Freemasonry is have one of their own as the Pope.