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To: JDN who wrote (436012)	7/30/2003 6:34:25 PM
From: miraje	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769667

I have yet to read one thing in the Patriot Act that would adversely effect an HONEST LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZEN There are many thoughtful conservatives who are deeply concerned and opposed to some of the provisions embedded in the PATRIOT ACT. Would you like to have your home searched without notice and without a warrant? Would you like the government to be obtaining lists of all the books you check out at your local library? I value freedom more than I fear terrorists, and I think that this act and other similar proposals are a big step in the wrong direction...

To: JDN who wrote (436012)	7/30/2003 8:26:21 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

The Basics of the Patriot Act -Applies the looser standards and more lenient search and wiretap authorities that have existed for decades in Foreign Counter Espionage cases to Foreign Counter Terrorism cases. These standards, basically longer wiretaps, searches without telling the suspect (black bag jobs) and other elements of spy world tradecraft only apply to to Foreign Counter Terrorism cases and not domestic ones. -Makes the State Department and INS keep better records on visas, immigrants and actually requires them to (gasp!) run criminal histories and record this information in central databases. Yeah, that is really shades of "Big Brother." -Allows the FBI to also enforce some immigration violations, so that when they don't have enough to arrest Joe Suspected Terrorist, but still don't feel safe around him, they can actually enforce the law about immigration status and boot him out of the country. -Gives some federal LE agencies increased authority to investigate suspected acts of terrorism against Americans overseas and to prosecute terrorists for those crimes. -Funds a bunch of 9-11 relief funds, rebuilding funds, victims funds and rewards for terrorist funds, plus the normal pork-barrel riders that you could expect from such an august, revered body as the US Congress. The only part that effects local LE was a provision that allows any LE agency to get personal data from a telecommunications service provider during an actual life-threatening emergency, like when someone calls 911 on a cell phone, but Acme Wireless won't give any customer information until Monday when they get served with a subpoena. Basically, the Patriot Act will not affect you unless you are: a) A foreign terrorist; b) A potential immigrant; c) An immigration violator; d) A victim of the 9-11 attacks, or someone who who suffered a loss during the attacks; e) A federal agent, now assigned to East Goatrope in the Republic of Kraplackistan, for CT duties. sptimes.com. Graham quiet about his role on Patriot Act On the campaign trail, he isn't bringing up that he co-wrote the controversial bill in the Senate. By BILL ADAIR, Times Staff Writer © St. Petersburg Times published June 14, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WASHINGTON - When Sen. Bob Graham campaigned in Iowa last weekend, at least two Democratic activists complained that the USA Patriot Act threatened civil liberties. They asked what he planned to do about it. The Florida senator replied that he was unhappy with Attorney General John Ashcroft's implementation of the antiterrorism law, but Graham neglected to mention an important fact: He co-wrote it. The controversial law puts Graham in a difficult spot. As the former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he wrote sections of the bill dealing with foreign intelligence.But as a presidential candidate, he doesn't want to alienate supporters."