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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (173031)8/1/2003 11:33:00 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572500
 
Ted, The war in Iraq has made it easier for Muslims to support OBL. And I think its a mistake not to care about that issue.

You'll agree that the best way to stamp out terrorism is by bringing peace and prosperity to the Middle East? Taking out Saddam was a big step toward that.


First of all, I don't believe Bush has brought peace and prosperity to the Middle East. There is not one iota of evidence that that premise is true or is about to come true.

Secondly, I believe if WE have a problem with terrorism that WE need to go after the terrorists and not try to redesign countries into our own image in the hope of eliminating terrorism. And the reason I say that is because it won't work.......at least it won't work like we think it will work.

Already the Iraqis have begun to resent us. Our approach to the Iraqis swings back and forth between forcefully paternal to militant occupier. A disaster could very well be in the making. We are spending billions and billions for questionable results and for results that may not be our goal. This experiment is very risky and I don't believe worth the effort and cost. In the meantime, al Qaeda continues to strengthen while we remain preoccupied and bogged down.

ted



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (173031)8/1/2003 12:39:55 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572500
 
<font color=green>This kind of stuff can go on for years even after we capture Saddam. They will find someone else to take his place. Today, there was still another oil line explosion, disrupting oil production and exportation once again.

Iraq could easily become another Palestine, N. Ireland, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc. draining our treasury and killing off our soldiers year after year. And neocons like D.Ray will keep it going by saying its the right thing to do or we will win in the end or the goal is worth the means, never admitting that they were wrong in the first place!

How else do you think these long term catastrophes start out? What a mess!<font color=black>

ted

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Purported Saddam Tape Urges Uprising

BAGHDAD (Aug. 1) - U.S. troops hunted Saddam Hussein on Friday armed with new pictures of how he might look in disguise, as a new audiotape purportedly made by the fugitive dictator urged Iraqis to drive out foreign troops.

''Only the actions of the faithful who struggled and fought can evict the invaders,'' said the taped message, which was aired on Al Jazeera television and dated July 28. ''Our belief is strong that God will grant us victory.''

The CIA says an earlier taped message broadcast on Tuesday was almost certainly recorded by Saddam. That message mourned the deaths of Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay, killed by U.S. forces last week, and vowed to fight a holy war to avenge them.

Units hunting Saddam, including the secretive Task Force 20 that is leading the search, have been given new photographs showing how Saddam may look if he has disguised himself during his months on the run, a military spokesman told Reuters.

''The photos have been distributed to units and commanders who are actively involved in the search. The main purpose of the photos is to ensure the soldiers have an idea of what Saddam may look like,'' Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Gainer said.

''They are a series of photos that are digitally enhanced to show Saddam in various states -- shaven, unshaven, bald and all the things of that nature. We are trying to anticipate what he may do to hide his appearance.''

Washington is offering a $25 million reward for information leading to the capture or proof of death of Saddam. The man who betrayed Uday and Qusay is being paid a $30 million bounty.

U.S. troops say many more Iraqis have come forward with information on Saddam since his sons were killed in a hail of machinegun and rocket fire in the northern city of Mosul.

SADDAM'S DAUGHTERS GIVEN ASYLUM

Officials in Jordan said two of Saddam's daughters -- Raghd, 36, and Rana, 34 -- had arrived on Thursday and were offered asylum by King Abdullah along with their nine children.

Iraqi exile sources in Amman said the women had been hiding with their mother Sajida, Saddam's first wife, since the war. Saddam ordered the execution of their husbands in 1996 after they returned from a shortlived defection to Jordan.

U.S. officers say die-hard Saddam loyalists and some foreign fighters, possibly including members of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network, are behind a guerrilla campaign that has killed 52 U.S. troops since Washington declared major combat over on May 1 -- 19 of them in the last two weeks alone.

In the latest deadly attack, a U.S. soldier was killed and three wounded on Thursday when their armored personnel carrier hit a land mine on the road to the U.S. base at Baghdad airport.

The U.S. military says attacks are becoming more sophisticated and more deadly. Officers say there is little their troops can do to prevent attacks by an unseen enemy.

Washington says it wants to put a democratic Iraqi government in place as soon as possible so it can end the occupation and pull its troops out.

It is also trying to persuade other countries to provide more soldiers and more money for Iraq.

Polish troops who arrived in June to help police the country came under attack for the first time on Friday. Poland's Defense Ministry said mortars were fired at a base near Hilla, south of Baghdad, but there were no casualties.

Paul Bremer, the American governor of Iraq, said on Thursday that democratic elections could be held as early as the middle of next year for an Iraqi government to take over from the widely resented U.S.-led administration.

The United States appointed a Governing Council of 25 Iraqis earlier this month as an initial step on the road to self-rule. But political progress since then has been slow.

Reut09:27 08-01-03

Copyright 2003 Reuters Limited.